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Prisoner abuse ?
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ok you all have heard the news about the US military folks who abused the iraqi's prisoners. What is your view on this???

Me?

Shame on them , but in all fairness ya' don't hear any of those countrys or others that abuse the heck out of our citicens that end up trapped in there prison systems apoligising for the abuse and torture that they inflict on americans . let's see if any of em' want to step up to the mike and whip out some apoligies first . bet they don't . But is it just me or does the media seem to be pushing this down our throats over and over? And yet they didnt do the same when those four Americans were killed, mutilated and burned.... Why has the Arab countries come out so harch against the US with these abuse cases and yet were silent about those four Americans? How come Arabs weren't outraged when that pregnant Jewish woman was killed along with her children by a Palestenian gunmen? It shows what we are up against... Unlike here where we were Angry over how a few of our guys treated prisoners, the Muslim world only gets Angry when a Muslim is wronged and celebrate when a Christian or Jew get killed.
get rid of rumsfeild my toushey , get rid of the whiney wanna be politicians that says we gotta treat the people killing our soldiers like guests at a hotel . wake up you political babys , there shooting at our boys over there ! we now occupie that country untill we can leave it in there peoples hands , these morons still bombing and shooting at us are "open season "in my book , a slap on the wrist just ain't gonna do a danged bit of good , let's fling lead instead .

treat em like the G.C. says to do , but not a smidgen better . we are at WAR , this isn't tea time at the lady's club . well that's my opinion , mess with the U.S. , pay like the rest !
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Well said.
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I AGREE WITH YOU 100% I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHY THE MEDIA JUST MENTIONED THE DISMEMBERMENT AND BURNING OF THE CORPSES AND ALL OF THE OTHER HORIFFIC ACTS BY THE MUSLIM EXTREMIST AFEW TIMES THEN DROP THE SUBJECT. THE POLITICIANS NEED TO STOP WORRING ABOUT WHAT THE french and the germans AND WHOEVER ELSE THINK ABOUT US. I PERSONALY COULD CARELESS WHAT THE REST OF THE WORLD THINKS. THEY SET BACK AND BITCH ABOUT THIS IS WRONG AND THAT IS WRONG, BUT WHEN TI'S TIME TO MAKE MONEY THEN THE'RE RIGHT IN THERE. I SAY IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT THEN GET IN THE RING. IF THEY DON'T WANT OUR HELP THEN PULL OUR TROOPS OUT AND LET THE NEXT TYRANT TAKE CHARGE. LETS NOT FORGET THESE PEOPLE WILL CUT YOUR THROAT IN A SECOND. JUST BECAUSE YOUR AMERICAN WETHER YOU DEFEND THEM OR NOT
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now i'm not anti muslem , anti jewish , anti any non cult religion or nationality , heck , america was founded and continues to grow because of our diverse backgrounds .if you have ever been to southwest detroit , you know my old stomping grounds , it's as mixed as you can get when it comes to varied cultures . but we as a county lead the way in helping these other countrys out in time of need . and you know what , the charity always starts with us , americans !

a few trillion dollers here , a few billion dollers there , medical aid here , disaster relief there , and then theres the drawing the line with our troops when things look thier darkest for some countrys .

our thanks in return ? our flag burned , our people murdered and draged thru the streets being kicked and spit upon , and hung up on a bridge as a trophy . were the bad guys when we don't give them everything they want . well it's high time these other countrys find out we don't run a welfare office for the rest of the world . they want a better country to live in , then start pulling up on their own bootstraps and get to getting the job started first , then we'll talk about aid . my pocket only go so deep and i'm tierd of digging into them and getting a knife in the back as a thank you in return .

i for one will not be embarased for being part of one of the richest and most powerfull country history has ever known , we worked , studyed and fought hard to be where we are today . our soldiers blood has been spilt on every corner of the world to make things better for all on a global scale . now we are sending our jobs to other countrys . we do alot for this corner of the universe , when's enough , enough ?

what country has ever sent the united states financial aid ?

for all those countrys demanding a apoligy and saying we were wrong to put a end to a jerk that promoted and supported terorist groups , put your record up against ours , let's see who has helped who out and start with your apoligies first .you jack america around , don't call foul when we drop the hammer on you . you need help . don't hinder us by throwing stones while were cleaning up your mess . don't like the way we play ball ? then you step up to the plate and take your bats first , otherwise shut up and sit on the poarch and nurse with the puppys while the big dog takes care of business .
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I think you right on all accounts Lonehunter, I've noticed that the more the media can put down Bush and his peaple, they jump on the band wagon. They'll do anything to push there own agenda.
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yep , the media does it to every president in office . i'm just fed up with the other countrys that stand on the sideline and run there yap instead of getting in the game .

they wanna say something i should concider , well they best roll there sleves up in put in there fair share of work , then they can tell me what they think at the end of the day .
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[unsure]BOTTOM LINE >>>>> DIRT SELLS !!!!

The media can make , or break anyone they want !!

my 2 cents worth ,

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Recent photographs of Iraqi prisoner abuse by British soldiers was proved to be bogus. Recent photographs of the rape of a female Iraqi woman by US soldiers was also proved to be false; the photographs first published by Arab news media and were grabbed from a European porn site.

And now, there has been a report published, along with some very shameful pictures, detailing Iraqi prisoner abuse at the hands of US Soldiers. I know our troops are having their one-year deployments extended when they only had a few weeks left, and they are finding these last minute disappointments very frustrating. This of course creates the environment where frustrated power figures can take out their anger on helpless prisoners.

But I would like to set the record straight and assure you all that these incidents are simple misunderstanding that have been blown out of proportion by the media. I will now detail for you each incident, as posted in a Pentagon report...

6.a. (S) Punching, slapping, and kicking detainees; jumping on their naked feet;

Now this is simply a misunderstanding. Nobody jumped on the detainees feet. The soldiers were merely trying to teach the detainees a little bit about American culture, when a very enthusiastic lesson on the 'Hokey Pokey' -- specifically during the "put your right foot in" part --just simply went awry. Furthermore, this situation was exasperated in such cramped quarters when they try to "turn yourself around". That's all it was. Nothing to see here, move along.

6.b. (S) Videotaping and photographing naked male and female detainees;

What? Now do you see how stereotypical the media can be? There can be Russian mail order brides. Korean mail order brides. Thai mail order brides. But noooo, one entrepreneurial solder wants to get a jump on a photo catalog for Iraqi mail order brides, and suddenly he's a bad guy. That's not fair.

6.c. (S) Forcibly arranging detainees in various sexually explicit positions for photographing;

With the removal of Uday from the their Olympic committee, there is more enthusiasm in Iraqi sports. These men were merely being coaches in some cheer leading, specifically the human pyramids. We've all see it done in "Bring It On", and they're just trying to adapt the same steps there in Iraq. Because the detainees are so new at this, the fine form of the pyramid was not easily seen, and thus misunderstood as something else by the chicken hawk media. Bastards.

6.d. (S) Forcing detainees to remove their clothing and keeping them naked for several days at a time;

Uh, it's Iraq. It's hot. Duh.

6.e. (S) Forcing naked male detainees to wear women's underwear;

Hey! Hey! This whole war was about bring democracy and freedom to Iraq. And if this guy wants to wear women's underwear, then who the hell are we to judge him? What he does behind closed doors is his own business, not yours. So get your damn cameras out of here and give the man his space. Freedom of choice, people. Don't judge.

6.f. (S) Forcing groups of male detainees to masturbate themselves while being photographed and videotaped;

Again, just a misunderstanding by the media. These individuals were compensated for their actions with money and marijuana. So now, if you order one copy of "Girls Gone Wild" and get a complimentary copy of "Detainees Gone Wild" for free! Shipping and Handling not included.

6.g. (S) Arranging naked male detainees in a pile and then jumping on them;

Oh, and now you're going to tell me that you've never played naked Twister, right? Don't judge!

6.h. (S) Positioning a naked detainee on a MRE Box, with a sandbag on his head, and attaching wires to his fingers, toes, and penis to simulate electric torture;

No, no, no. Everyone was playing hide-and-go-seek. As there really aren't many places to hide in a jail cell obviously, this resourceful fellow was merely disguising himself as a floor lamp. And he remained completely hidden, I might add, until he sneezed. And yes, he did win, by the way.

6.i. (S) Writing "I AM A RAPEST" (sic) on the leg of a detainee alleged to have forcibly raped a 15-year old fellow detainee, and then photographing him naked;

This was simply a misspelling, brought on by the difficulties of communicating between two different languages. This individual is an up and coming musician looking to get his big break with the recently paroled Suge Knight. He hopes to be the first Iraqi RAP-ARTIST. See, no cause for concern. He's just chillin in his cell, beyotch!

6.j. (S) Placing a dog chain or strap around a naked detainee's neck and having a female Soldier pose for a picture;

Again, who are we to judge what people do behind closed doors. As long as this detainee can afford the $3.99 per minute to be treated this way by a dominatrix, I don't see the problem. Neither do you, DO YOU SLAVE?

6.k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

You liberals. First we wage war. And you piss and moan about how we should make love not war. Now we make love instead of war, and you complain about that. Is there on pleasing you? Make up your mind!?

6.l. (S) Using military working dogs (without muzzles) to intimidate and frighten detainees, and in at least one case biting and severely injuring a detainee;

Duh, have none of you seen Oz? Prison officials everywhere will tell you working with animals is great way to teach the prisoners responsibility and encourage them to cultivate a sense of compassion for other living creatures. Everyone knows the best way to reward a dog for obeying your commands is by giving them treats. So how can you possibly give a dog a Scooby snack if he's got a muzzle on? You can't. Some of these dogs don't get much attention, so they're very enthusiastic sometimes. We just have to work with the dogs a little bit to teach them to "take it nice" when they get their treats. That's all.

6.m. (S) Taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees.

Hello? Crime has been running rampant in Iraq, especially in the big cities. Murder, rape, theft, and of course, insurance fraud. These photographs were taken to simply put any insurance matters to rest and bring closure.

8.a. (U) Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees;

C'mon, all these lights are non-toxic. Ask any raver.

8.b. (U) Threatening detainees with a charged 9mm pistol;

I've threatened to not pay my taxes. I've threatened to quit my job. But I'm still doing both. So as long as they don't actually *use* the pistol, what's the problem?

8.c. (U) Pouring cold water on naked detainees;

It's Iraq. It's hot. Duh.

8.d. (U) Beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair;

Again, more cultural differences leading to a simple misunderstanding. The percentage of Hispanic personnel in Coalition forces is at some of the highest levels in history. In an effort to exchange cultural ideas, some prisoners just simply didn't understand what was going on. What's one man's abuse is another man's game of "pinata". Everyone tears dried in the end and everyone got candy. What's the big deal?

8.e. (U) Threatening male detainees with rape;

Well, as long as they don't actually *rape* the male prisoner, what's the problem?

8.f. (U) Allowing a military police guard to stitch the wound of a detainee who was injured after being slammed against the wall in his cell;

What? This soldier pick up a wounded man, giving him first aid, treating his wounds, and sewing them shut to prevent infection,and he's a bad guy now? How's that happen? Now if that's not unfair bias, then I don't know what is.

8.g. (U) Sodomizing a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broom stick.

A chemical light? Folks, this was just a simple mistake because of American pop culture. The detainee expressed that he was thirsty and asked for something to drink. After this incident in question, the detainee turned to the guards and clarified, "No I said a *BUD* Light." After that miscommunication was worked out, the prisoner got something to drink and everyone was happy. Now you can't blame us when someone from a foreign place misunderstands our television commercials.

8.h. (U) Using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees with threats of attack, and in one instance actually biting a detainee.

Again, this was explained earlier. These poor working animals are being kept in kennels, far from their home turf where they feel comfortable, and they're a little starved for human attention. If they get a little overly enthusiastic sometimes, it's not on purpose. Throw his ball for him!


I hope these explanations can put some of your fears and concerns to rest.

Your AmbasSador to the Stars,
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