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SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - wiperhunter2 - 11-09-2007 This is a long read but for those of you that believe in our country, it is worth it. If this author is really who he claims to be, this quite a sobering way to put our current crisis in this country!! AN INCREDIBLY SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION Please, take the time to read this !! Another assessment of where the US stands in relation to the Middle East problems, this one is from the guy who had his finger on the nuclear trigger for three years as head of our defense and response complex buried under Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs. He was the only person who could initiate a nuclear attack after advising the sitting president of a missile launch by our enemies and our need to respond. No political or civilian type in the US had more knowledge about day to day military actions around the world. Everyone should find quiet time to read this. As far as I am concerned, it is exactly the direction we should go and the consequences of not doing so are well thought out. John R. (Jack) Farrington Major General, USAF (Retired) Middle East Imperative BY: JIM CASH, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret. I wrote recently about the war in Iraq and the larger war against radical Islam, eliciting a number of responses. Let me try and put this conflict in proper perspective. Understand, the current battle we are engaged in is much bigger than just Iraq. What happens in the next year will affect this country and how our kids and grandkids live throughout their lifetime, and beyond. Radical Islam has been attacking the West since the seventh century. They have been defeated in the past and decimated to the point of taking hundreds of years to recover. But they can never be totally defeated. Their birth rates are so far beyond civilized world rates that in time they recover and attempt to dominate again. There are eight terror-sponsoring countries that make up the grand threat to the West. Two , Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, just need firm pressure from the West to make major reforms. They need to decide who they are really going to support and commit to that support. That answer is simple. They both will support who they think will hang in there until the end, and win. We are not sending very good signals in that direction right now, thanks to the Democrats. The other six, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea and Libya will require regime change or a major policy shift. Now, let's look more closely. Afghanistan and Iraq have both had regime changes, but are being fueled by outsiders from Syria and Iran. We have scared Gaddafi's pants off, and he has given up his quest for nuclear weapons, so I don't think Libya is now a threat. North Korea (the non-Islamic threat) can be handled diplomatically by buying them off. They are starving. That leaves Syria and Iran. Syria is like a frightened puppy. Without the support of Iran they will join the stronger side. So where does that leave us? Sooner, or later, we are going to be forced to confront Iran, and it better be before they gain nuclear capability. In 1989 I served as a Command Director inside the Cheyenne Mountain complex located in Colorado Springs, Colorado for almost three years. My job there was to observe (through classified means) every missile shot anywhere in the world and assess if it was a threat to the US or Canada. If any shot was threatening to either nation I had only minutes to advise the President, as he had only minutes to respond. I watched Iran and Iraq shoot missiles at each other every day, and all day long, for months. They killed hundreds of thousand of their people. Know why? They were fighting for control of the Middle East and that enormous oil supply. At that time, they were preoccupied with their internal problems and could care less about toppling the west. Oil prices were fairly stable and we could not see an immediate threat. Well, the worst part of what we have done as a nation in Iraq is to do away with the military capability of one of those nations. Now, Iran has a clear field to dominate the Middle East, since Iraq is no longer a threat to them. They have turned their attention to the only other threat to their dominance, they are convinced they will win, because the U.S. is so divided, and the Democrats (who now control Congress and may control the Presidency in 2008) have openly said we are pulling out. Do you have any idea what will happen if the entire Middle East turns their support to Iran, which they will obviously do if we pull out? It is not the price of oil we will have to worry about. Oil WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE to this country at any price. I personally would vote for any presidential candidate who did what JFK did with the space program---declare a goal to bring this country to total energy independence in a decade. Yes, it is about oil. The economy in this country will totally die if that Middle East supply is cut off right now. It will not be a recession. It will be a depression that will make 1929 look like the "good-old-days". The bottom line here is simple. If Iran is forced to fall in line, the fighting in Iraq will end over night, and the nightmare will be over. One way or another, Iran must be forced to join modern times and the global community. It may mean a real war---if so, now is the time, before we face a nuclear Iran with the capacity to destroy Israel and begin a new ice age. I urge you to read the book "END GAME" by two of our best Middle East experts, true American patriots and retired military generals, Paul Vallely and Tom McInerney. They are our finest, and totally honest in their assessment of why victory in the Middle East is so important, and how it can be won. Proceeds for the book go directly to memorial fund for our fallen soldiers who served the country during the war on terror. You can find that book by going to the internet through Stand-up America at [url "http://www.ospreyradio.us/"]www.ospreyradio.us[/url] <[url "http://www.ospreyradio.us/"]http://www.ospreyradio.us/[/url]> or [url "http://www.rightalk.com/"]www.rightalk.com[/url] <[url "http://www.rightalk.com/"]http://www.rightalk.com/[/url]> On the other hand, we have several very ![]() today, who evidently have not achieved their lofty goals, and insist on ranting and raving about the war. They are wrong, and doing the country great harm by giving a certain political party reason to use them as experts to back their anti-war claims. You may be one of those who believe nothing could ever be terrible enough to support our going to war. If that is the case I should stop here, as that level of thinking approaches mental disability in this day and age. It is right up there with alien abductions and high altitude seeding through government aircraft contrails. I helped produce those contrails for almost 30 years, and I can assure you we were not seeding the atmosphere. The human race is a war-like population, and if a country is not willing to protect itself, it deserves the consequences. Nuff-said!!! Now, my last comments will get to the nerve. They will be on politics. I am not a Republican and, George Bush has made enough mistakes as President to insure my feelings about that for the rest of my life. However, the Democratic Party has moved so far left, they have made me support those farther to the right. I am a conservative who totally supports the Constitution of this country. The only difference between the United States and the South American, third world, dictator infested and ever-changing South American governments, is our US Constitution. This Republic (note I did not say Democracy) is the longest standing the world has ever known, but it is vulnerable. It would take so little to change it through economic upheaval. There was a time when politicians could disagree, but still work together. We are past that time, and that is the initial step toward the downfall of our form of government. I think that many view Bush-hating as payback time. The Republicans hated the Clinton's and now the Democrats hate Bush. So, both parties are putting their hate toward willingness to do anything for political dominance to include lying and always taking the opposite stand just for the sake of being opposed. JUST HOW GOOD IS THAT FOR OUR COUNTRY? In my lifetime, after serving in uniform for President's Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush I have a pretty good feel for which party supported our military, and what military life was like under each of their terms. And, let me assure you that times were best under the Republicans. Service under Jimmy Carter was devastating for all branches of the military. And Ronald Regan was truly a salvation. You can choose to listen to enriched newscasters, and foolish people like John Murtha (he is no war hero), Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda, Harry Reid, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and on-and-on to include the true fools in Hollywood if you like. If you do, your conclusions will be totally wrong. The reason that I write, appear on radio talk shows, and do everything I can to denounce those people is simple. THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR THIRST FOR POLITICAL POWER AND QUEST FOR VICTORY IN 2008 ABOVE WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS COUNTRY. I cannot abide that. Pelosi clearly defied the Logan Act by going to Syria, which should have lead to imprisonment of three years and a heavy fine. Jane Fonda did more to prolong the Vietnam war longer than any other human being (as acknowledged by Ho Chi Minh in his writing before he died). She truly should have been indicted for treason, along with her radical husband, Tom Hayden, and forced to pay the consequences. This country has started to soften by not enforcing its laws, which is another indication of a Republic about to fall. All Democrats, along with the Hollywood elite, are sending us headlong into a total defeat in the Middle East, which will finally give Iran total dominance in the region. A lack of oil in the near future will be the final straw that dooms this Republic. However, if we refuse to let this happen and really get serious about an energy self-sufficiency program, this can be avoided. I am afraid, however, that we are going in the opposite direction. If we elect Hillary Clinton and a Democrat controlled congress, and they carry through with allowing Iran to take control of the Middle East, continue to refuse development of nuclear energy, refuse to allow drilling for new oil, and continue to do nothing but oppose everything Bush, it will be over in terms of what we view as the good life in the USA. Now, do I think that all who do not support the war are un-American -- of course not. They just do not understand the importance of total victory in that region. Another failure of George Bush is his inability to explain to the American people why we are there, and why we MUST win. By the way, it is not a war. The war was won four years ago. It is martial law that is under attack by Iranian and Syrian outside influences, and there is a difference. So, what do I believe? What is the bottom line? I will simply say that the Democratic Party has fielded the foulest, power hungry, anti-country, self absorbed group of individuals that I have observed in my lifetime. Our educational system is partially to blame for allowing the mass of America to be taken in by this group. George Bush has done the best he can with the disabilities that he possesses. A President must communicate with the people. And I would tell you that Desert Storm spoiled the people. Bush Senior's 100-hour war convinced the people that technology has progressed to the point that wars could be fought with no casualties and won in very short periods of time. I remember feeling at the time, that this was a tragedy for the US military. To win wars, you must put boots on the ground. When you put boots on the ground, soldiers are going to die. A President must make the war decision wisely, and insure that the cause is right before using his last political option. However, CONTROLLING IRAN AND DEMOCRATIZING THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE ONLY CHOICE IF WE ARE HELL-BENT ON DEPENDING ON THEM FOR OUR FUTURE ENERGY NEEDS. Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret. Lakeside, Montana 59922 [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - southernman - 11-09-2007 utter and complete claptrap, from a war mongering neo-con idiot just another nut sm GO DEMOCRATS IN 2008 - BRING THE CLINTONS AND PROSPERITY BACK TO AMERICA [signature] Re: [southernman] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - RILEYFISH - 11-10-2007 The Only nut around here Sm Is YOU! [signature] Re: [southernman] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - wiperhunter2 - 11-12-2007 I decided to do some checking to find out if this letter was real. I copy and pasted the generals name and rank into a search engine. I came up with a web site called military.com. There was a discussion going on about this letter so I started reading. Everything sounded good so I read on, a reply came from Apieceofmymind2, if I was a betting man I would say this guy was you Southernman[angelic]. Was it? [url "http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/6960020151001"]http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/6960020151001[/url] [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - southernman - 11-12-2007 dont insult me, that crap is all bs jpg 1 go barack Ohh! jpg 2 panguitch, 11-10-07 - hedgesd, powermaker, b&^%a & me - great day! sm [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-20-2007 I feel sory for any nation who is depentant on any other country for its primary resorces... so the third world war of power has begun..[pirate] what happened to our developing an alternitive power sorces for transportation? using fossel fuels for industustry is ok, but when you fill the planet with fossel fuel consuming macheins you are asking for desaster... creating a global economy while still using fossel fuels is adding fuel to the fire... Bush is not alone with his disabilites, it would seem that the entire congress and senat suffers with his same delusions of what it takes to make a global economy work, It dosnt work if even one percent of a nations population is suffering for basic needs, food, water, shelter, education and pulling in other countries in to a global economy when it cant take care of it self is a desaster waiting to happen and a culture devistated due to comertial oppertunist.... It only took 300 years to defete the non industrialized north american indian who only had sticks and rocks to fight with... so unless we deture from the use of fosel fuels to suport a global economy the three thousand year third world war of power will be our legesy... [signature] Re: [davetclown] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - wiperhunter2 - 11-20-2007 Very good assessment of the current global situation with our dependence on oil. We have to start some where, so my question would be to you Dave, what fuel source are you using to power your vehicle? I haven't made the move yet but I've been looking into CNG as an alternate fuel to using oil, it's cost is 70 cents per gallon, with 0 emissions. I also heard today that a car has been made in France that runs on compressed air. It gets 70 miles on a charge with air only with gas it gets up to 600 miles per gallon. [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - gdn443 - 11-20-2007 I lean more towards the fuel cell. Lets save our Ngas and oil for heat. Here in Ct I believe we have a couple of companys developeing the cells. We'er so close that it needs a good push from the private secter to make it happen. How about some big tax credits for all that can make it happen?? [signature] Re: [gdn443] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-20-2007 tax breaks were given, "to the oil companies" I agree that tax encentives directed twards the development of alternate fuels for general transprotation by state and federal governments would be all that was needed along with the removel of tax encentives to the rest of the develoment of oil guzeling vehicals is all that would be needed to make it happen... unfortunatly, oil had a political strangle hold on out governments and automotive industry world wide... Oil has a guarnteed proffet pact with our government along with natural gass and electricity... think of all the oil spills that can be eleminated by swithcing form crude to soibean deasle fuel to supply freight industry. ![]() [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-20-2007 due to my employment and financial status I have resorted to using less, by far less than I have ever used. my consumption has dropped down to 15 gallons of gas per month on avarage. that is down from 30+ gallons per week that I used when I was working. even my boat has used under 12 gallons of gas this year, using wind and electric for most of my fishing. the last I heard, michigan has only two hydrogen stations. near interstate bus stations for refueling. you could not switch to a hydrogen car if you had the money and wanted to. what most people dont realize is that going to alternitive fuels will not eliminate the need for oil for transportation, lubricants 'motor oill and axil oil' hydrolic break and transmition oils' and grease all of which are products of oil is needed to make vehicals opperate... unless something is done soon, I will be walking before too much longer... [signature] Re: [davetclown] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - gdn443 - 11-20-2007 We will always need oil in some capacity for the useful thing in life. But if we can just get to the point of useing only the oil we produce for ourselves. But then we'ed have to convince the big boys to just sell it in country and not overseas.[crazy] If only they could see the future isn't oil anymore.[ ![]() [signature] Re: [gdn443] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-20-2007 the ![]() Our government gave oil companies garenteed proffit margens if they did not put our oil on the world market, but some where along the line the government has changed the rules of the game and allowed them to put it on the world market with guarenteed proffit margens... when there is an oil spill and the oil companies have to clean it up, the get paid to clean it up... no losses, there for no insentives to do the job right in the first place....[unsure] [signature] Re: [davetclown] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - Wyobraz - 11-21-2007 [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]My word Dave the Oil companies are not in some type of consperacy to screw America. Oil is a world traded comodity just like Gold, Orange Juice, Corn etc. The price of oil historicaly is on an up and down cycle, and we just happen to be in the up time. It wasn't all that long ago and oil was around $20 a barrell and your Detroit Auto companies started pumping out the un-ecinomical SUV's that dramatically contributed to our demand meeting our supply.[/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3][/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]Speculation, and a supply that is equal to demand is why we have high oil prices. The ultimate answer is to get away from any type of comodity fuel source like oil, or corn for biofuels. Biofuels are good but as demand goes up they will be acceptable to the same speculation that oil is today, just ask the ranchers and farmers that have seen thier livestock feed prices skyrocket over the last few years since biofuels technology has increased. [/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3][/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]Fuel Cells now that is the answer, but we are many years before that type of technology is widely and cheaply available to the average consumer. I heard today that Chevy was going to try and market a fuel cell car for around $80,000 by 2010. Thats good but I can buy a $40,000 car and buy $5 a gallon gas for and still be money ahead for the lifetime of the cars.[/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3][/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]If people want cheaper gas in the short term like I do, it is relativly simple, STOP USING SO MUCH. But that is not the American way and we have become so extremely dependent on foreign oil it is rediculous. So the next thing would be to drill, refine, and use our own oil from our own lands. But the Democrats will not allow drilling on our major reserves we have in the US such as in Alaska, and Clinton put the kobosh on one of our nations best reserves in Utah by creating the Escalante Nation Park right before he left office. Drilling our own oil and becoming independent of foreign oil is the only way to see cheap gas at least in the short term.[/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3][/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]If you think we have high oil prices now just wait and see what happens if Hilary is elected, but at least my taxes will be raised, my guns rights abolished, and the poor will live better than the working class and have free health care.[/size][/#808000][/font][ ![]() [signature] Re: [gdn443] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - wiperhunter2 - 11-21-2007 [font "Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"][black][size 1][/size][/black][/font] From what I have read there is more than enough Ngas to go around and in the middle East it is a by product, to get rid of it they give it away. In Utah you can find Ngas in many locations, not a problem getting a fill up here. There are already cars and trucks on the market that run on Ngas. A think when fuel cells are fully developed and on the market, with easy access to getting fill ups, it will be an a good deal but until that day Ngas is here now, lets use what we have. I agree there should be some big tax credits to get the fuel cell going, I hope it happens soon. WH2 [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - gdn443 - 11-21-2007 Sounds good to me. Here the only cars and trucks with Ngas are state or government. Bio does help, but we are seeing the down side of that as stated. It would be a hoot to see an outboard with a fuel cell. [signature] Re: [Wyobraz] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-21-2007 I can not argue the stupidity of the american auto industry, you would think they would have learned their lesson from back in the 70's and 80's when those gas guzzlers were abandoned on the hiway because they couldnt get gas enough to get them off the road... especialy when auto industry employees them selves seeked out gas economical vehicals like the renault and la-cars and datsons. It is hard to beleive how impetuous the industry is in beleiving that catering to the 1% of the population was going to make them competitive in a world trade that actuly only exist in this country when it comes to forgen cars... the oil industry like every one else hates change and refuses to let go of its monoply as far as a perpultion fuel goes. and the owners of our auto industry have stock in the oil industry and see the change over as a means of cutting open their own pocket books... "Dollars makes sence if ya think about it" we are talking another industrial revolution when it comes to changing over to new tec. auto shops and dealerships having to retool and re-educate to meet the needs. machanics will have to become qulaified electritians in order to service a car. and if ya ask me, that is just what the doctor ordered to turn our economy around... of corse people in my edge of the woods aint as shiny an apple on the rack as they pretend to be, living 50+ away from where they work, burning enough gas per vehical in one week that I could take an up north drive for a hunting and fishing trip three times the same week. the guys driving the suv's hummer's 4x4's burning three times the fuel needed to cart them selves back and forth to work... to top it all off, they just built another 5,000 square foot house on my block driving my taxes up as it drives my property values down... I like the electric cars, but untill the solar cell tec is improved electric cars will be a dream of the future.. of corse I havent got a clue as to what to do about the lawnmowers, some of the lawns around here would need a 10,000 foot extention cord or better, it wouldnt hurt my fealings any to see a few more blades of grass and a few more shrubs around the hood... [signature] Re: [wiperhunter2] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-21-2007 michigan is full of natural gas, with all the dump sites we have and what do they do with it? when they cap off the dumps they put up burning stokes and burn it, getting nothing for the burn. pure waist! it could be bottled and sold, small electrical generators could be run, heating boilers run... waist waist waist.... [signature] Re: [davetclown] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - Wyobraz - 11-22-2007 [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]One thing to remember is that our refining capacity has not increased in the last 20 years while are demand has increased dramaticaly.[/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3][/size][/#808000][/font] [font "Tempus Sans ITC"][#808000][size 3]No matter what 10 barrels at $100 makes the same as 100 barrels at $10 dollars. I make this point because any major oil company will always produce as much as possible no matter what the price of oil is. If our countries reserves were open up and made only available to us the oil companies would make just as much if they were able to produce the amount that we now import from OPEC.[/size][/#808000][/font] [signature] Re: [Wyobraz] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - davetclown - 11-22-2007 tuche! that is one method of keeping the demand up and the supply low... michigan is going to build a new refinery in down town detroit. the state of michigan also has oil for demand as well, we already have them tapped in to, our state is keeping the pumps out of opperation for the most part... they are owned by the state department of natural resorces... the state cant use the money from the wells to float their own over spending so the keep the pumps at a minimum... there is a new well going down right in the city of lavonia, the city will be reaping the benifits... both well and refinery will be in full production in 2010. The well and refinery will be 30 miles apart. It will take the drivers longer to do the safty checks and start the truck that it will take to drive the oil to the refinery... one key note about the new refinery, it is going to be bio fuel... [signature] Re: [davetclown] SOBER ASSESSMENT OF OUR CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION - wiperhunter2 - 11-22-2007 You are so right, what a waste[mad]. At one of our local dumps they have been laying pipe into the landfill as they fill it up and a few years ago they started selling the methane to the Air force base that is right next door. I don't know if all of the newer landfills do this but it is a great idea and something that all states should be required to do in newer dumps. [signature] |