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hot spotting
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My name is Rob Thornberry, and I am the outdoor editor at the Post Register.
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I will assert again, hot-spotting is largely a non-issue, and a silly and simplistic complaint from anglers, who as a group spend millions on magazines and papers to get information and then are surprised when others read the same articles.

Below is a recent column on the topic.
Please read, argue, cuss and rage.
But also think clearly about what really changes over time when the paper mentions a place to go.
Secondly, anglers have a duty to protect wonderful places. Learning about those places, and their issues, is the first step toward their protection.


Nov. 9, 2006

Friend Alan Woolley sent me this e-mail last week after the Post Register mentioned one of his favorite fishing spots:
"You Hot Spottin' liberal John Kerry lovin' bastage," he wrote.
Yikes.
And he's a friend.
Though most of what he?said was Tongue-in-check, any time I mention an out-of-the-way fishing spot, somebody gets his feelings hurt.
I've been called a "witless putz" and a "jerk" for mentioning favorite spots. Those are the ones I can reprint. The e-mail traffic from Jefferson and Fremont counties has been edited out for the children's sake.
Folks don't have any sense of humor when I mention their spot, no matter how famous.
I've had people mad I mentioned the Henry's Fork and Henry's Lake.
Although those are two of the most publicized fisheries in the world, some folks think they are fishing on a "secret honey hole."
"How could you?" is the plaintive cry from the offended.
To which I say: I hear your pain, but the whining has to stop.
I've never seen an instance where my writing has led to the ruination of some secret spot.
Ever.
The belief that the unwashed masses wait until Thursdays to follow my advice is quaint, but unrealistic.
There are simply too many things to do in the woods and too many so-called hot spots to cause people to abandon their favorite spot for somewhere new. A couple, maybe. A horde? No way.
Take the brown trout redd upriver from the end of South Fork Road as an example.
I mentioned the redd -- which is within walking distance from the end of the road -- as a fishing spot 10 years ago and a flock of readers claimed the browns would be fished out in a year.
I visited the same redd last year, and it's larger than ever.
The same can be said for Bear Creek, which I mentioned a dozen years ago. Again, the worrywarts said the creek would be ruined.
Lo and behold, it still has fish and you can escape the crowds most any day.
That isn't to say every spot I visit will end up in the paper.
My rules for writing about any fishing area are simple:
n Don't draw maps to holes and claim them golden.
n Don't write about small creeks near roads.
n Always write about stocked waters. If we pay to stock it, people should fish it.
n And anything that requires a hike longer than four miles roundtrip is fair game, because the average Joes won't make the trek.
n Promote conservation and no-trespassing laws.
It's a simple, straight-forward strategy.
Don't you think?
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I agree with you, Rob. There are more fishing spots within 100 miles of Idaho Falls than just about anywhere else. If it is stocked, then it should be fished--and people shouldn't worry about "meat hunters" fishing stocked waters. I like your rules for writing about fishing spots and feel they are fair to all.

Eastern Idaho is becoming more and more populated--that's why there are more people on the waters these days. I've lived here for five years and have seen tremendous growth. Previous to that, I saw the same kind of growth in the Treasure Valley. I used to get frustrated that I couldn't find an area within 100 miles of Boise that didn't have half of Boise there trying to recreate also.
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I use the same rule of thumb about planted waters when it comes to posting reports.
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[#0060bf][size 1](quote) My rules for writing about any fishing area are simple:
n Don't draw maps to holes and claim them golden.
n Don't write about small creeks near roads.
n Always write about stocked waters. If we pay to stock it, people should fish it.
n And anything that requires a hike longer than four miles roundtrip is fair game, because the average Joes won't make the trek.
n Promote conservation and no-trespassing laws.
It's a simple, straight-forward strategy.
Don't you think? [/size]
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[black][size 3]By the rules you have listed, I agree 100%, but not all journalist follow your rules.[/size][/black]
[size 3]Here, a lot of the waters that get publicized (hot spotted) are saved by regulations, but, the masses and the garbage are there.[/size]
[size 3]Provo River, comes to mind. This gets more news than even the Green here in Utah. Very hard to get out to the river now because of all the people. Magazines, newspapers, etc have all contributed to it's popularity. The fact that there are still plenty of fish is because of the regs.[/size]
[size 3]I still say, the smaller bodies of water can be hurt by publishing too much info. More people, more garbage and Sad truth is this happens.[/size]
[size 3]One Res. just over the border in Idaho, has seen the effects. I use to catch fish 27" in there. Now you are lucky to get a 24" or even a 20". The regs. are strict there and are enforced, but the year round access and possible kill, plus the amount of traffic has hit this res. hard.[/size]
[size 3]I have nothing against journalism, and I know it is required for out of state revenue, so please understand that I do respect you. I think some things are better left unsaid or as little said the better.[/size]
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Good Rules! I use the same kind of mental picture when I am trying to find new places to fish. I love fishing truly wild places, hence the name Windriver. I have many places I chose just because they are so remote that most people are too lazy or not crazy enough to try to get to. Even icefishing I have found that an extra 20 minutes of work pays off with more consistent action.

Windriver
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I understand the frustration of turning the corner and finding somebody in "your" spot. It bugs us all, but should it?
Isn't that person another ally?

Now I will get off my soapbox and admit there are a number of streams I won't write about. One of them has been mentioned twice in magazines, including Northwest Fly Fisherman. I've watched it since its full-color spread and have found no one new who said to me, "I saw the story about 'No-tellem Creek.' We should go there."

As for the quality of a stream or reservoir declining because of people, I point the finger at poachers. And that is a problem all ethical sportsmen should battle.
Blissed Out
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[size 1]As for the quality of a stream or reservoir declining because of people, I point the finger at poachers. And that is a problem all ethical sportsmen should battle.
Blissed Out [/size]


[black][size 3]AMEN![/size][/black]
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Great rules Rob, and honestly your response would make a great article! I have mentioned this before that places like Ririe might benefit from pressure if the good people at Fish and Game notice and continue to invest in its quality. What is really cool in my opinion, is that we all know about our secret waters and we treasure them by not posting and only sharing PMs. I will always rave about places like Deep Creek, because these are invested waters that need to be fished. I still won't say the exact place I go; I will share a PM, but not post a general gps location. I do this, because I like a good 50 fish day and this happens due to heavy planting of this border water. My friends from Utah or Idaho can fish in a general area and land 12 not 50, and it still makes for a quality experience.

In some cases I wish we mentioned more waters to save them. For example, I was impressed last year when Mud Lake winter killed, and many people responded on solutions to prevent this event if possible. My BFT name being Ovid Creek is a relic from fishing history; the place died due to the drought and irrigation. If we had more sportsman fighting for this place, such as water rights I may have been able to enjoy the Ovid Creek to this day. Honestly, I may never have that opening morning feeling again of landing ten 2+ pound Bonneville Cutts, and boy did they fight. It could have been another Silver Creek, but few fisherman to fight for its cause created its death along with the drought.

I love this passion all of you have expressed. You all may get tired of me mentioning my son all the time, but to me thats what it is all about. I want a grand place for him to fish, and I mean that for every Western State he might find himself in. Many of you have mentioned your children; Windriver wrestling/fishing, Rob in the paper about a deer hunt, and I have talked to BrianId about his kids I think we all feel the same. I want to have for the future that quite place few know for some good father son bonding, but also I will cherish the invested heavy use waters as these are places to talk with quality people about fishing. I know all of you get a kick when you see that large family out on the ice and a three year old pulls out their first fish. My friends this event just sold many future licenses that will continue to enhance fishing, not destroy it. Granted the kid will have to become a die hard to find the lesser known streams/waters, because with the sound of it we all wish to protect them. Again I appreciate all the good comments in the last few days. Good job Windriver getting the ball rolling on this. Welcome to the board blissed-out (Rob!)

OvidCreek
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I think we all need to get used to seeing more fishermen on "our secret spots". The population is this area is exploding. Teton county Idaho is one of the fastest growing counties in the country. Everyone and his brother is moving out here, some full time, some just summer folk. More people, more fishermen...get used to it !!!
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I don't anyone should have to feel guilty for not posting a report every time they go fishing. They should be willing to give back some though. When I want to limit the "hotspoting" that I do, I will just post a vague report. I will post things like ice conditions, water clarity, what they were bitting on, areas I fished but just will leave out the part that I was catching a fish every cast or posting how big the fish were.
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