Stay Safe Stay Home

[dubob]

Come on guys; pay attention.  There's going to be a test later.  

You CAN"T fish in a state park that isn't in your county of residence.
You CAN fish a state park located IN your county of residence.
You CAN fish in any body of water within Utah's boundries that isn't designated a state park unless the owner of the water has declared it closed.

The Directive has a drop dead date of April 13, 2020 at 11:59 PM; unless the Governor extends the Directive sometime before 12:00 AM on April 14, 2020.  You can again visit any state park beginning April 14, 2020 at 12:00 AM.

All y'all have been given a link to the Directive in a post above.  It's a HUGE document of 4 pages.  Read it!  You might actually learn something.  And maybe - just maybe - your questions will be answered.

And before anybody gets all bent out of shape, I'm poking FREINDLY fun at all y'all.  Chill.

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And just today, I heard a doctor on TV saying in this time, while staying at home, we should focus on inner peace.  To achieve this, we should always finish things we start.

I looked through my house to find things I'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner pizz. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!

[TheOtherSide]

I will be putting this to the test, tomorrow. Although, I will not violate the order by going to an out of county state park, and will follow all the recommendations in the directive.

[doitall5000]

I did share my own thoughts with the governor. I encourage you to do the same.

[Anglinarcher]

So, I am an man about ...... the state.  I live in ALL COUNTIES.  So, where do I want to fish tomorrow?  

[muirco]

I guess that is what I was getting at for me...I troll and jig from a boat and live in davis county, so lake fishing is done for me.

You can still fish Pineview, Newton, or Lost Creek locally if they are ice free.  I would guess Newton is for sure, but don't think Pineview or Lost Creek are at this time.  But I don't know that for sure.  I can't do Newton or Lost creek by myself because neither have a tie up dock.  And I have no desire to fish Pineview even if it is ice free.  The docks won't be put in there until they open for the season and I'm not going to pay an almost $20 launch fee to fish there.  But you still have choices beyond just State Parks if you REALLY want to go.  Just sayin'!  

What about Mantua? I just looked and I don't think it is a state park....am I right? I guess I do have some options... thanks!

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Maybe I will head to the gorge! I like going there! Long trip, but if Dirk will accommodate us...I will go!

[dubob]

What about Mantua? I just looked and I don't think it is a state park....am I right? I guess I do have some options... thanks!  Maybe I will head to the gorge! I like going there! Long trip, but if Dirk will accommodate us...I will go!

NOW you're talkin'!  And you are correct about Mantua; it is NOT a State Park.  However, you should know that the local Barney Fife is a real anal opening and will look for any infraction to cite you for and raise the income level of the village Board of Idiots running the place. 

Manilla is in the Tri-County area and has only 1 reported case of COVID-19 and no visitor cases reported.  Good choice for a fishing trip.  I'll have to check with Dirk today and see what the lodging and food options are over there right now.

[Bduck]

I looked through my house to find things I'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner pizz. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!

My wife handed me half a bottle of unfinished Jim Beam and then dubob's lingo all came together.

[chinook]

"But it is a CHOICE and not a REQUIREMENT"

This is what is so important in all of this.  We should all remember that we live in a free country.  Government was never intended to control details in our lives.  Acting responsibily should be our choice, not mandated.  Otherwise, where does it end?  Once government starts to place restrictions for any reason without due process, it is a slippery road that may not end.

Just my thoughts

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Come on guys; pay attention.  There's going to be a test later.  

You CAN"T fish in a state park that isn't in your county of residence.
You CAN fish a state park located IN your county of residence.
You CAN fish in any body of water within Utah's boundries that isn't designated a state park unless the owner of the water has declared it closed.

The Directive has a drop dead date of April 13, 2020 at 11:59 PM; unless the Governor extends the Directive sometime before 12:00 AM on April 14, 2020.  You can again visit any state park beginning April 14, 2020 at 12:00 AM.

All y'all have been given a link to the Directive in a post above.  It's a HUGE document of 4 pages.  Read it!  You might actually learn something.  And maybe - just maybe - your questions will be answered.

And before anybody gets all bent out of shape, I'm poking FREINDLY fun at all y'all.  Chill.

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And just today, I heard a doctor on TV saying in this time, while staying at home, we should focus on inner peace.  To achieve this, we should always finish things we start.

I looked through my house to find things I'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how feckin fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner pizz. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!

Now this was truly funny.  Made my day.  Good job Dubob!!!

[Tin-Can]

I guess that is what I was getting at for me...I troll and jig from a boat and live in davis county, so lake fishing is done for me.

You can still fish Pineview, Newton, or Lost Creek locally if they are ice free.  I would guess Newton is for sure, but don't think Pineview or Lost Creek are at this time.  But I don't know that for sure.  I can't do Newton or Lost creek by myself because neither have a tie up dock.  And I have no desire to fish Pineview even if it is ice free.  The docks won't be put in there until they open for the season and I'm not going to pay an almost $20 launch fee to fish there.  But you still have choices beyond just State Parks if you REALLY want to go.  Just sayin'!  

Now I know why so many folks are out along the Bear River Bird Refuge. Davis and Weber counties don't have any state parks to close (or use) Pineview is a county (Weber) managed park, Lost Creek is managed by Morgan county. The turn off to the Willard Bay south marina is practically right on the Weber / Box Elder county line.  Pineview won't accept my state park annual pass, and I don't really care for Pineview anyway. Sorta the same for Lost Creek although there isn't a fee to launch there, I'm not much into trout fishin, although I do like the no wake rule, I agree with Bob, no dock to tie up to while parking or getting truck.  I have eliminated Mantua for the simple reason it just isn't worth the risk of a ticket for breaking some stupid local ordinance that is confusing or incorrectly posted or interpreted. 
So I guess it's the Bear River for bank tanglin, and maybe putting the boat in once it warms up some. 'course that may not be until after the state park closures expire anyway.  

[dubob]

Pineview is a county (Weber) managed park, Lost Creek is managed by Morgan county.

Hold on there old timer.   

While there is a County Park up in Ogden Valley, it ain't Pineview.  The County Park up there is North Fork Park and isn't connect with, or adjacent to, Pineview Resrvoir in any way, shape, or form.  Pineview is a USDA Forrest Service unit in the Uinta-Wasatch-Cache National Forest.  It is controled by the Ogden Ranger District.  They, in turn, have contracted out the management/running of the facilities at Pineview April thru October.  That's why your State Parks Pass doesn't work there; it's a Federal property, not a State Property.

Lost Creek Resrvoir is also a Federal Property, but this time the owner is the US Bureau of Reclamation (BoR) and is under the control of the BoR Provo Area Office.  The Operator for this facility is the Weber Basin Water Conservancy District.  Morgan County has no function at that facility except law enforcement.  Years ago it used to be part of, and managed by, East Canyon State Park.  But that hasn't been true for a very long time now.

And as Paul Harvey used to say - "Now you know the rest of the story."  Are we havin' fun yet?  

[RonPaulFan]

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Ironically, if I wanted to be alone, I would go fishing at a State Park that is not in my county.  Spacing between people when I do that is typically over a mile.  There is a lot of space in State Parks.  Here's a picture of me fishing at a State Park.  Just look at all the spaciousness behind me -- no getting a virus there!  Social distancing is greater than one mile!<br />
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Quoting myself to add to the list of reasons that fishing is a proper social distancing activity.  I read that the virus is killed in 30 seconds with bleach and in ONE second by sunlight.  It would seem that driving there alone (not that I want to be alone, but that's another subject) and fishing surrounded by a mile of space of no other person and being in SUNLIGHT, I would be very safe from the proliferation of the virus while fishing.

[dubob]

I read that the virus is killed in 30 seconds with bleach and in ONE second by sunlight.  It would seem that driving there alone (not that I want to be alone, but that's another subject) and fishing surrounded by a mile of space of no other person and being in SUNLIGHT, I would be very safe from the proliferation of the virus while fishing.

"I read it on the Internet; it MUST be true."  Yeah; right!  Had you expanded your search for the truth, you might have found this article from PolitiFact.

Sun exposure does not kill the coronavirus

They debunk that myth using this list of sources:

 

Our Sources

Bloomberg, "Trump Assurances Aside, Warmer Weather May Not Slow Coronavirus," March 5, 2020CBS News, "Trump touts economic success, criticizes sanctuary cities in meeting with governors," Feb. 10, 2020

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Common Cold, accessed March 10, 2020

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S., March 11, 2020

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19): Steps to Prevent Illness, accessed March 10, 2020

Epidemiology and Infection, "Environmental factors on the SARS epidemic: air temperature, passage of time and multiplicative effect of hospital infection," April 2006=68.ARDi0vTIxlBdSbIE8VZDBCBK-87ZBAaSZ9ixuzf0845Zvoy_H61dkv7IzOhnKnEsW0CThOusrHO8xJVTygz4qeBAwm2qMAWKDBs2dNrocqSvctlTVCbQeQGjNNcFHRuxlpVD603HsNvCUkc44M6M29XNCuS-_6_tBK-LYvBtwjUy6A5arMquCqwzOO3Vv8iJoaxRpuCiatY9ssXrFo9S7FApudrsEHP9i-9hH2bmwSKfPnG9-2JC3kjG3XuExCdFJZ3lTd7CTSxVtwbU6MzhQKolspBr9oi-k3MmFxNDVRHagzr_dNnntIdwkePcpW3IQeoz6g]Facebook post, March 9, 2020

Harvard Medical School, "The Reason for the Season: why flu strikes in winter," Dec. 1, 2014Journal of Medical Virology, "Inactivation of 12 viruses by heating steps applied during manufacture of a hepatitis B vaccine," November 1987

The Philadelphia Inquirer, "Coronavirus may not be slowed down by warmer weather, scientists warn," Feb. 26, 2020PolitiFact, "Stop sharing myths about preventing the coronavirus. Here are 4 real ways to protect yourself," March 5, 2020

Statement from UNICEF, March 6, 2020

USA Today, "Coronavirus live updates: WHO declares pandemic; US death toll rises to 31; 'it's going to get worse,'" March 11, 2020

World Health Organization, Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) Situation Report – 50, March 10, 2020 

I'd love to see any sources that support your statement - "I read that the virus is killed in 30 seconds with bleach and in ONE second by sunlight."

[liketrolling]

DO NOT touch your face.    and wash your hands a lot
How many times a day Do you touch your face?
The average person can touch their face up to 3000 times a day. But between touching our faces, we are also touching everything else, including doorknobs, desks, cellphones, and each other, which carries bacteria. and the coronavirus

[Tin-Can]

Pineview is a county (Weber) managed park, Lost Creek is managed by Morgan county.

Hold on there old timer.   

While there is a County Park up in Ogden Valley, it ain't Pineview.  The County Park up there is North Fork Park and isn't connect with, or adjacent to, Pineview Resrvoir in any way, shape, or form.  Pineview is a USDA Forrest Service unit in the Uinta-Wasatch-Cache National Forest.  It is controled by the Ogden Ranger District.  They, in turn, have contracted out the management/running of the facilities at Pineview April thru October.  That's why your State Parks Pass doesn't work there; it's a Federal property, not a State Property.

Lost Creek Resrvoir is also a Federal Property, but this time the owner is the US Bureau of Reclamation (BoR) and is under the control of the BoR Provo Area Office.  The Operator for this facility is the Weber Basin Water Conservancy District.  Morgan County has no function at that facility except law enforcement.  Years ago it used to be part of, and managed by, East Canyon State Park.  But that hasn't been true for a very long time now.

And as Paul Harvey used to say - "Now you know the rest of the story."  Are we havin' fun yet?  

[font]OK Bob, now my day wasn't wasted..........I learned something new. But as far as Pineview is concerned, I don't care for that body of water no mater who controls it..... for me it costs too much to launch a boat, and WAY too many folks up there that have more boat than brains......
Lost Creek.... well I have fished there several times. Like I said, I do like the no wake policy, but like you said launching by myself can be a pain with no dock. And the long walk back up that ramp to the parking area is about more than my worn out feet and legs can handle now days. Probably why I don't hit East Canyon any more either. Not tried Echo since it became a state park, but that's out of my county of residence also.
So for as long as this park restriction holds out, Bear River will be seeing even more of me. [/font]

[dubob]

So for as long as this park restriction holds out, Bear River will be seeing even more of me.

That's the spirit - if you can't be with the sport you love, love the sport you're with.  

[Boatloadakids]

Hate to beat this thing to death (pun unintended) but I'm starting to wonder how restricted we are going to be. I get the thing about the county waters being limited but there appears to be even more restrictions coming. I have a son (Utah County) who spent the weekend shed hunting in Garfield County. He and some of his friends from his work place were camped in a remote area about one hour out from Blanding when they were confronted by a Garfield County Sheriff who told them to leave asap inasmuch as they were not residents of the county. He produced some kind of health advisory document that had just been adopted that prohibited non-county residents from recreating in Garfield County. If other counties or Gov Herbert enact something similar state wide it will impact more than just a restriction on county ponds. I never thought the C-19 bug would significantly impact our non-spectator sport of fishing but who knows where this thing is going??

I'm willing to do my part to get this virus under control but I sure hope it does not advance to the point where even fishing is prohibited. Will someone please tell me I am wrong and assure me they will not take my fishing away.

[Tin-Can]

Hate to beat this thing to death (pun unintended) but I'm starting to wonder how restricted we are going to be. I get the thing about the county waters being limited but there appears to be even more restrictions coming. I have a son (Utah County) who spent the weekend shed hunting in Garfield County. He and some of his friends from his work place were camped in a remote area about one hour out from Blanding when they were confronted by a Garfield County Sheriff who told them to leave asap inasmuch as they were not residents of the county. He produced some kind of health advisory document that had just been adopted that prohibited non-county residents from recreating in Garfield County. If other counties or Gov Herbert enact something similar state wide it will impact more than just a restriction on county ponds. I never thought the C-19 bug would significantly impact our non-spectator sport of fishing but who knows where this thing is going??

I'm willing to do my part to get this virus under control but I sure hope it does not advance to the point where even fishing is prohibited. Will someone please tell me I am wrong and assure me they will not take my fishing away.

Lynn, I wish I could say you are wrong, but I don't think you are. While the actual act of fishing is a good "distancing practice" I think the Gov. is deciding to err on  the side of extreme caution. Cuz to get to where you want to fish, most of us need to drive to another county or at least thru our own county. That is unless you can cast your line from your own property into some fishable water.  

[Boatloadakids]

Well it won't impact me much cuz I fish mostly in Utah Lake. It's gonna be tough on Tube Dude cuz I won't be able to continue to tutor him in cattin'.

I agree this C-19 stuff is pretty bad and we all need to do our part to head it off. Hopefully we can beat this thing and get back to normal soon.

[catchinon]

Hate to beat this thing to death (pun unintended) but I'm starting to wonder how restricted we are going to be. I get the thing about the county waters being limited but there appears to be even more restrictions coming. I have a son (Utah County) who spent the weekend shed hunting in Garfield County. He and some of his friends from his work place were camped in a remote area about one hour out from Blanding when they were confronted by a Garfield County Sheriff who told them to leave asap inasmuch as they were not residents of the county. He produced some kind of health advisory document that had just been adopted that prohibited non-county residents from recreating in Garfield County. If other counties or Gov Herbert enact something similar state wide it will impact more than just a restriction on county ponds. I never thought the C-19 bug would significantly impact our non-spectator sport of fishing but who knows where this thing is going??

I'm willing to do my part to get this virus under control but I sure hope it does not advance to the point where even fishing is prohibited. Will someone please tell me I am wrong and assure me they will not take my fishing away.

Maybe I can play the devil's advocate for a minute. The guv has bent over backward to say that no one not complying with his order to not congregate would be ticketed, and plenty have ignored it, such as the mass that congregated at the airport to greet returning missionaries. So go ahead and go fishing anywhere you want; no one will arrest you for it. 

Okay, I was only half serious about the above. We personally are exercising the most stringent precautions and get upset with those who don't take this seriously. I just heard a broadcast where they said that the cases will peak in two weeks and be mostly over by June first. Is it worth endangering ourselves and others because we can't wait a few weeks to go fishing anywhere we want?

BTW, Lynn, Blanding is in San Juan county unless they've moved it recently. Or am I just ? I thought I was once but I wasn't sure.

[Boatloadakids]

Yup Craig. you are right about Blanding being in San Juan County. I got my info from wife who got it from my son and in the exchange Blanding moved to Garfield. When I asked for a copy of the notice the sheriff issued them the geography righted itself.

We can hope for the best but in the mean time prepare for the worst. What we really need is some warmer weather.
Tight lines.