Walleye

[poncho]

anyone know if there is walleye in jordanelle.
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[smallmouthchaser]

There are walleye that have been planted there illegally. Jordanelle is looking more and more like it's going to be managed as a warm water fishery because of our bucket wielding friends and their selfish agendas.
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[road]

I guess warm <grins> is a matter of interpretation. I remember floating this winter and using my tube as an ice breaker LOL. The bows weren't to bad though.
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[smallmouthchaser]

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[smallmouthchaser]

I'm not necesarilly against the lake being a warm water fishery, however, I understand that predatory nature of walley will eventually prevent the dwr from planting that lake with trout. I just don't think it's up to us as fisherman to make decisions for everyone based on what we want. Jordanelle was a nice smallmouth and trout fishery, and then someone decided perch and walleye would be good there too. The ramifications of that decision will hurt the ecosystem that DWR biologist are trying to maintain.

Jordanelle is a great place to chase smallmouth. I've caught a few nice ones there and the rules are working.
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[FishFearMe]

Now I am not very edumacated in the punishments that come along with this ileagal planting of fish in lakes, But it does seem to me that what ever it is maby it is not enough. It seems that everytime I turn around there is another spot with ileagal fish there.

Can someone tell me whathppens or what is spossed to happen and weather or not they are able to enforce it. I know with all the budget cuts it is probabley hard to catch these guys with lack of DWR agents and when they are caught there are probley not the number one candadit for the slammer since we thowing them on the streets right now.

Thank you
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[WalleyePaul]

As far as fishing goes compared to hunting in terms of legal punishment, it is less severe.

You will get cited and fined. I have not heard of a person going to jail on a fishing-related charges alone.

I can imagine that getting thrown in jail would happen if the person flagrantly and willfully violates the law, and the officer catches them on the spot in the act.

People who illegally stocks fish usually is on the look-out for the conservation officers and other witnesses. They are a sly bunch.

I have a very good idea of how people do it. People who load their live-wells from another lake, and transport the boat to another lake. Dumps it out and there it goes!

I propose DWR check all live wells at all boat ramps. Might stem the tide of illegally introducing fish.
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[FishFearMe]

Hey Paul thanks for the info. I would have to agree that that is probabley the easiest way to do it. I was talking to a buddy in KY and he says that they was catching them also planting them upstream of lake in the hiddon spots (trees) where no one could find them and then the fish would just go down stream or spawn with the other fish bucket planted and then there you go and I could see that prety easy on the north part of the provo back in the little road alone the river.

Paul once again thank you for the info I kinda thought that the punishment for planting fish would not be very severe and I kinda wish it was. Then maby it would quit.

Thanks to everybody that makes this a great site. I may not post much but I read this site all day while at work. Keep up the good post's
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[WalleyePaul]

Well Like I said probably no jail time, but I didn't say fines could be severe. Any fines imposed upon by the judge is severe to my pocketbook at this point in time.[pirate]

People need to have respect for the wildlife, and let nature take its course over time. DWR aren't Gods but they are God's assistants in trying to make life good for fishing. People who do the illegal stocking are playing the devil's advocates.

Yeah Jesus did say at the cross, "forgive them for they know not what they do". [angelic] It doesn't wash with the judges in a court of law. They have to impose some form of punishment which is usually a financial hit on the wallets.
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[wiperhunter2]

Your statement, "I understand that predatory nature of walley will eventually prevent the dwr from planting that lake with trout." is not correct because the same thing happened to Deer creek. You can catch some nice trout there and some monster walleye plus smallmouth and jumbo perch. Yes, walleye love to eat baby trout but now that there are perch in the lake they will also have them to eat. It was a bad thing that someone did but now that it is done the next state record walleye might come from Jordanelle. Perch will stunt if there is not a agressive predator like the walleye so I guess time will tell. All the fish that are in Jordanelle can surive and do well and it can be a great fishery, just another apion. WH2
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[Kayote]

The part is, these illegal stockings are often irreversible. Jordanelle and Deer Creek are culinary waters and will never be treated. It is likely the perch in Jordanelle will crash just like all the other waters in Utah, then the waldos will either stunt, crash or get by on expensive stocked trout. I do love to catch walleye, but it will be a very day when they show up in say Strawberry or Bear Lake. Mark my words, it will happen. Just my $.02.

Good Fishing, Kayote
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[poncho]

Seems like I stirred up a hornets nest from my question about walleye in Jordanelle.
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[road]

Hey SMC I agree with ya. I don't think I went to school to learn how to manage wild life habitat. On the other hand if ya need someone in the saftey field I be your man! I haven't chased any smallies there as yet but I do expect too. After BF2 turned me on to them last year I don't seem to get enough of them. Been chasing them trout for too many years. Now theres some nice things in the ocean to catch also. But now that I moved back to Utah, Halibut, Salmon, Tuna, Sea Bass are all just a memory. The old penn is just gathering dust in the basement. []
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[road]

I would hope these idiots would understand that those lakes have been managed for the type of fish that are there. I mean strawberry has always been a trout lake! The has always been the bear with its own eco system that DWR needs to manage. I like WEP suggestion of checking live wells. That certainly wouldn't hurt. And since they have someone there at the gate anyway. It should be easy to have a look. That does not hold true for the unmaned entry points. I certainly hope they start an education program to help some of these *fellow* anglers understand how much harm they could be doing. I think a section in the proclamation devoted to educating us anglers would do wonders to help curb this practice. I do understand that it is only a few, but it only takes a few!
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[Kayote]

Hey Road,

Where did you live near the ocean?. I still get in a couple trips a year to the coast for fishing. I love Baja. I also get out for yellowfin, albacore and yellowtail. Not to mention yak trips for sea bass and halibut.

Good fishing, Kayote
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[road]

Hey Kayote,

i lived in Orangevale, CA Thats just outside Sacramento. I worked on the Bay Bridge for about 10 years. My uncle had a charter out of San Deigo until a few years ago. I think his son took it over then sold it. But he and I were never close. We had the hots one summer for the same girl. Man am I glad I grew up LOL.

I use to spend summers in that part of the world. Surfing and chasing the big one. I use to love those 5 day fishing trips he would take me on. yellowtail and albacore are great fish to go after and a blast to catch. But my all time favorite are the sea bass. My wifes would be the halibut, but for some reason I never had much luck with them. So I guess my collages years at Berkley put me close I lived in SF back then, but I grew up just outside sacto. My dad got transfered to UT in late 66. But I still make a trip home every now and then mostly to wet a hook. But I have to tell the wife its because our daughter needs me, my sister asked for some help, my mom is getting old and I might not see her again. Heck I got a tackle box full of um <grins>. But I think she has figured it out ........ last time she told her dad I went fishing.

Road
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[Kayote]

Road,

I grew up in San Diego. I get missing the fishing bad. Big bucketmouths, big ocean fish, not to mention the surf. Kayaking through the surf is a complete hoot. Check out what the boys back home are catching from the Yaks right now, 50 pound white seabass (see pic). Good eating. They call it a sleigh ride. Oooohhh boy...........

Good Fishing, Kayote


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[Xman]

mind you perch werent suppose to be in there so it shouldnt matter if the perch stunt. but there is a over abundance of chubs in the lake. this might balance out the tables for the walleye if they ever get to larger numbers. i have heard they have been in there as long as 4 to 5 years. but for the smallmouth fishery this is distatrous and it will probably go to the likes of starvation scenarios when it is all said and done.
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[tomegun]

[#000080][size 1]Last week Don Wiley of the DWR came to our Bass club meeting, we had a nice discussion about jordanelle. Putting Perch into jordanelle wasn't neccessary a bad thing, the DWR might have put them in there eventually. As for the Walleye, the "Eyes" have been in their for a long time. A couple of reliable sources of mine have confirmed that a certain group of individuals put the walleye into the river before the dam was finished. It seems very few people know how to catch the jordanelle walleye. According to Wiley, the walleye are eating chubs and perch. Also, in the last net survey showed that "my" Smallies(go away) were eating perch exclusively. [/size][/#000080]

[#000080][size 1] IMHO, the rainbows at jordanelle are anemic. They should put them into a fertile lake somewhere else. The browns(great biggins), smallies/largies, walleye, and perch are the bigtime predators up there, thus leaving the rainbows to stunt or become snakefish. I did catch a nice rainbow last saturday at jordanelle, but I also caught a anemic looking snakebow. Jordanelle lacks the natural nutrients that some of our waters provide for the rainbows. Unlike Deer Creek, Yuba, and Starvation the perch have plenty of cover to hide and spawn. It has virtually no winter fishing pressure so this is an added bonus. I only caught one chub last year(this is an alltime low). I am worried about the smallmouth. I caught very few small smallmouth last year. I did catch alot of big smallies though... [/size][/#000080]
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[Xman]

thanks for the info tomegun, i use to fish jordanelle alot for the big rainbows that use to exist in there. now that they have closed the dam off it is virtually not accessible at all from shore. im not into paying 9 dollars just to fish a spot from shore or floattube so i dont go anymore. it has been made into a boaters lake. puts a dry taste in my mouth because of it so i dont go anymore. i did catch some nice smallies when i did go last year. havent hooked a brown in 3 years there.
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