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I was just wondering what everyone's opinions are about the perch in Jordanelle. Obviously, the DWR never intended them to be there, although they are good eating and fun to catch. I believe that while it benefits the smallmouths, the perch are and will have a detrimental effect on the trout population. They compete with trout fry for food, and most likely eat the trout eggs before they get a chance to hatch. What does everyone else think?
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The trout fishing at jordenell is not all that good anyway,I fill the perch will have a negative affect on the rainbows,but the browns should do really well,wont be able to get any though,they are filling up on the perch,smallmouth and perch have done well toghether for years at deer creek,I think if they put cutts in jordenell they would thrive,and it would be a good all-a-round fishery.JMOA.
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I believe they originally put some cutthroats in there when they first opened Jordanelle, just not sure if they have continued doing so, plus they could also enter from the Provo River just like the Browns. The trout fishing at Jordanelle used to be excellent!!! The first couple of years it was open I went there with my dad in his canoe all the time. We always did really well trolling and bait fishing, as well as flyfishing from my tube with wooly buggers. I haven't fished it for trout the last couple of years, so I'm not sure how it is now. If the trout fishing isn't that good, I'd blame it on the perch.
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I feel that Jordanelle gets alot of pressure and this has brought the trout population down from where it was over 5 years ago. I had never caught a perch before this year!!! It disappoints me there is perch in there, but what can I do about it now, I guess keep my limit everytime I am there????? I am no biologist, I know this, I guess that is why I dont run around putting fish in to new enviroments. But from what I see I cant see why perch would be good in trout enviroment, I guess this question should best be presented to someone who goes and fishes FIsh Lake!!! They could probably give you a better idea of how the perch has overall affected that water!!!!
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Bad!
If someone thinks that trout are a pain, and that the DWR always has to bend over backwards to make it better for trout, look at the regs for perch. Yuba went from no limit, to 20 fish, to 10 fish, to the first 10 fish caught between something like Dec 1st and Mar 1st, to no perch in possession, to 10 fish, to 20 fish......etc. Deer Creek did almost the same. They are nothing but a nuisance in Fish Lake. And while I'd like to catch a big tiger muskie someday, they are in Pineview to eat perch. Nobody seems to complain that the regs are tough on tigers at Pineview, because they know that the perch need to be thinned out.
I just wish people would leave them where they are at, and not move them around. If they are a good fish for a specific water, the DWR will probably put them in. Let them do their job.
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Amen!
I wrote to the DWR about Cutts in Jordanelle a long time ago. The river is managed for wild cutts and they would thrive with all the Chubs and Perch for food. I know I caught a number of huge Cutts the first week it opened and they must have just come from the stream. They can and have done well in there. I would love to see them back. The provo could support a huge spawn run. Wouldn't that be awesome to have a place to go catch huge Cutts besides going clear to the Berry. Ice fishing couldn't be better huge Cutts and Perch all in the same day.
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[#800000][size 2]There are 4 types of trout in Jordanelle: Rainbows, Browns, Cutthroats, and Albanios.[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2] There are 2 types of Bass: Smallmouth and Largemouth[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2] There are 3 or more types of forage or trash fish: Chubs,Perch, Redtail Shiners, and some others I can't think of at the moment.[/size][/#800000]
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[#800000][size 2]The Trout used to be plentiful, but awful skinny. I watched Trout bust Perchlettes on top during the 4th of july. Are the Rainbows getting any bigger? I dunno? I haven't caught any this year. Yet, the Browns are huge. [/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2]Perch limits will go up to at least 20 fish in 2004. What we need to do is remove a limit every time up at the lake. Cook'em, give'em away, use'em for fertilizing, or trash'em-we need to help make a dent some way.[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2]DWR has no money to spend on putting more or bigger predators in our fisheries(Jordanelle and Strawberry could use some help).[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2]I would like to see some tiger muskies and walleyes in Jordanelle(stocked). Smallmouth Bass have only one predator and is People. Smallies and muskie live together pretty well at pineview and the midwest.[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2]I would like to see Smallies legally planted in Strawberry. If the Smallmouth can live in Canada and Minnesota, they can survive the "Berry". This wouldn't help the chub problem though. Plus, smallies wouldn't compete with the cutthroats. The Rainbow's are another story.[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 2]JMHO[/size][/#800000]
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Now you are talking . Tiger Muskies for Jordanelle . I think about 5000 muskies in there it could help balance out . LOL They plant muskies in there I be there every weekend . LOL and I'll take some perch out every trip . Who knows how the perch will effect it . Only time will tell I guess , but by the numbers of them all ready in there . Wow there's a lot of perch .
I have caught a few nice browns and cutts from Jordanelle , but I would think that they were there before the the lake filled . Rainbows & albinos are most likely all planted . Not to bust anybodys bubble , but a friend of mine at work claims he caught a bluegill out of there Labor day weekend . I can't say for sure I didn't see it but he told me he compared it to the pic in the Proclamation , and he told me he caught something else he couldn't identify so he put it back so he would get in trouble with the DWR . Do we have more bucket biology going on ?
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i agree with you there tight line.
we fished jordanelle the first few years it had just opened. and the browns cutt and rainbow fishing was good for very large fish of all species. then i remember catching my first smallmouth and wondering was was going on. the next year all the rainbows that we had been catching were no where to be found. and the big cutts dissappeared. i feel the perch in there is a disaster to all species of the lake. they are in there in such numbers, as everyone has seen, that they will feed on all the eggs of all the spawns. not just the trout but the smallies as well. perch are not prejudice. and the coming of the walleye i think is yet to come i can see this turning to yuba in a few years of bust and boom while the other species i loved fishing for there will be a thing of the past.
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I'm no expert on this , but i thought they were placing christmas trees in Yuba to give cover to help the perch out in Yuba . Jordanelle has lots of cover all ready and may turn out different than the bust and boom like Yuba is known for . It may work out for the walleye and perch , but the trout may not make out to well because of this .
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I to have talked to people Hells that claim they have cought some bluegills from there also, I also beleave I saw one caught by a party that was fishing about 15 yards from be right on the old road at rockcliff. I couldent tell for sure cause I am as blind as a bat but I think it was. I was going to ask if you guys had herd anything but did not want to sound like an idiot. But yea I have herd and think I have seen at least one caught.
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There has been blue gills in there from the beginning. There are two ponds on a small feeder stream on the North end. Both ponds are chuck full of little gills. Also there used to be a pond in the bottom of that valley before they filled the dam that had gills. Maybe it just took a while for them to take off. At least they are not near as destructive nor due they take over like the perch.
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So, it looks like the consensus is this:
Jordanelle has: Rainbow Trout, Cutthroat, Browns, (and possibly even a few brookies???), Smallmouth and Largemouth Bass, Yellow Perch, apparently bluegill in small numbers, and there are also (illegally stocked) walleye in there at least in small numbers. Chubs, Redtail Shiners and WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE THESE MORON "BUCKET BIOLOGISTS" have added.
I am almost positive that the cutthroats were stocked there before Jordanelle officially opened to fishing. They stocked a few thousand of them that were going to head to Strawberry and put them in Jordanelle. I think for now we should sit back and just see how the lake stabilizes. The smallmouths are going to produce many new State records I think with so many perch to feed on and no predators of the smallies. I think it would be cool to see Tiger muskies in there but I doubt that will happen.
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[#800000][size 1]How compatible are Tiger Muskies and Trout? I agree with alot of you folks that perch will hurt long term. The Smallies I have caught in years past are the same numbers wise. We used to lean over the side of the boat and tease little smallies. Now, all you see is perch. Saturday, I was drop shotting with pieces of nightcrawlers. Caught a bunch of perch, I got shut out with the bass.[/size][/#800000]
[#800000][size 1] I would like to see Cutthroats in there too! We need another ice fishing factory. Strawberry is no longer fun, unless you get into some "Bows". Scofield ain't what it used to be either.[/size][/#800000]
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I have only fished jordanel once it was about a week ago at the perch party. I started off trolling for trout planning on fishing for perch when I got to the rock cliff area. The trout fishing was so good I didn't even consider stopping to fish for perch. They were all pretty nice sized fish. They reminded me of the trout in east canyon but without the anchor worm. I couldn't say this is the average day because I have only been there once But I will go back.
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I like how the guy that said screw the trout full perch ahead didn't have enough guts to sign on so we could all see who he was
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Perhaps he was one of those bucket biologists? It's truly  that the perch in there will probably ruin the fishery.
My question is: What is going to happen to Jordanelle when all the trees under water finally biodegrade? The cover will be significantly reduced, and I think all species of fish will suffer.
Another interesting point is that when the perch numbers at Pineview were finally brought into check, the smallies have done quite well. I've seen quite a few posts this year about decent smallie action up there. Perhaps a few musky in there would be beneficial. Make it catch and release only for the musky, then the DWR could safely and reliably predict the predatory activity up there. Maybe they are just waiting to see if the Walleye take off up there. It will be interesting to see how the fishery changes up there over the next few years.
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I think that Tiger Muskies would all but wipe out the trout. They're a lot softer than perch, I bet they're tastier, but not as plentiful though.
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