09-19-2006, 01:53 AM
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Have you noticed that when you fish with the dropper off the bend, that more than likely the fish hit the dropper (not always but more regularly). When I fish a dry with the dropper off the bend, I catch 10 to 1 on the dropper.[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]--------------------[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#0000ff][size 3]When the dropper is a nymph that makes sense since the fish feed more on the nymphs. Many times it is like that but there are many times that it is more like 6 or 7 to 1.[/size][/#0000ff][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#0000ff][size 3]On rare occasions it has been the dry a majority of the time. Now this is stream fishing I am talking about. I have done very little lake fishing.[/size][/#0000ff][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]--------------------------------[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3] I can't help but think that the dropper effects the way the first fly floats. By tying first fly off a small tag or even a loop in the line like I said, it takes on it's own movement as well as the dropper. I experimented with this and I do get more hits on the tagged first fly then on the bend rig.[/size][/black][/font] ----------------------------- [#ff0000]When doing this with two dry flys I can not say that. It varies. There have been a good number of times that the fly hanging off the hook bend gets bitten more often. But I can say that when I first get the two flys tied on I think that the lead fly is going to get more of the hits. The presentage is a little better in the lead flys advantage [/#ff0000] [#ff0000][/#ff0000] [#ff0000]There was one time on the Arkansas river at the end of the Mother's day Hatch that I had a large Klinkhammer special tied as a lead fly and small dry fly caddis trailing behind. For about an hour and a half the browns where hitting only the kinkhammer. Then for about half hour or 45 minutes I could not buy a fish except a rare hit on the klink or the caddis. Then for about an hour it was only the caddis they would hit. Then it was nothing at all.[/#ff0000] [#ff0000]But there are many times that I use a large bushy fly as the lead fly so that I can quickly spot the dry fly hanging off the bend of the hook. In these cases I am doing this because the fly I have hanging off the bend of the hook is a very small fly or hard to see in the lighting conditions. [/#ff0000] -------------------------------
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Down side to my experience with the off the bend, is having interested fish check out the first fly only to turn and get snagged on second. I guess it could happen with the tag rig also, but I haven't yet.[/size][/black][/font] ---------------------- [#008000]I have very little experience with that happening with a dry and a dropper nymph. I have that happen maybe once an outing when fishing two nymphs. I have never figured out for sure whether the fish is sucking in the leading fly and spitting it out before I sett the hook and then catch him in side with the trailing hook or whether I am pulling it out of his mouth before he can eject it and then catching him in the side.[/#008000] [#008000][/#008000] [#008000]One down side I have had happen on occasion with having the trailing fly coming off of the bend of the hook is that the tippet has slid off the end of the hook.[/#008000] [#008000][/#008000] [#008000]I will have to try the dropper coming off a loop in the tippet going form the leader to the main fly.[/#008000] ------------------------
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Plus de-barbbed hooks are trick at times with that off the bend dropper.[/size][/black][/font]
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]As a second part of you first question, is to keep it simple so as not to tangle to much. Off the bend or very short tag, or off the line all together. No loose ends to wrap around each other.[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][size 3]----------------[/size][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#500028][size 3]I have thought about using a very short tag off the point fly tippet but obviously never done it.[/size][/#500028][/font] [/reply]
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Have you noticed that when you fish with the dropper off the bend, that more than likely the fish hit the dropper (not always but more regularly). When I fish a dry with the dropper off the bend, I catch 10 to 1 on the dropper.[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]--------------------[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#0000ff][size 3]When the dropper is a nymph that makes sense since the fish feed more on the nymphs. Many times it is like that but there are many times that it is more like 6 or 7 to 1.[/size][/#0000ff][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#0000ff][size 3]On rare occasions it has been the dry a majority of the time. Now this is stream fishing I am talking about. I have done very little lake fishing.[/size][/#0000ff][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]--------------------------------[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3] I can't help but think that the dropper effects the way the first fly floats. By tying first fly off a small tag or even a loop in the line like I said, it takes on it's own movement as well as the dropper. I experimented with this and I do get more hits on the tagged first fly then on the bend rig.[/size][/black][/font] ----------------------------- [#ff0000]When doing this with two dry flys I can not say that. It varies. There have been a good number of times that the fly hanging off the hook bend gets bitten more often. But I can say that when I first get the two flys tied on I think that the lead fly is going to get more of the hits. The presentage is a little better in the lead flys advantage [/#ff0000] [#ff0000][/#ff0000] [#ff0000]There was one time on the Arkansas river at the end of the Mother's day Hatch that I had a large Klinkhammer special tied as a lead fly and small dry fly caddis trailing behind. For about an hour and a half the browns where hitting only the kinkhammer. Then for about half hour or 45 minutes I could not buy a fish except a rare hit on the klink or the caddis. Then for about an hour it was only the caddis they would hit. Then it was nothing at all.[/#ff0000] [#ff0000]But there are many times that I use a large bushy fly as the lead fly so that I can quickly spot the dry fly hanging off the bend of the hook. In these cases I am doing this because the fly I have hanging off the bend of the hook is a very small fly or hard to see in the lighting conditions. [/#ff0000] -------------------------------
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Down side to my experience with the off the bend, is having interested fish check out the first fly only to turn and get snagged on second. I guess it could happen with the tag rig also, but I haven't yet.[/size][/black][/font] ---------------------- [#008000]I have very little experience with that happening with a dry and a dropper nymph. I have that happen maybe once an outing when fishing two nymphs. I have never figured out for sure whether the fish is sucking in the leading fly and spitting it out before I sett the hook and then catch him in side with the trailing hook or whether I am pulling it out of his mouth before he can eject it and then catching him in the side.[/#008000] [#008000][/#008000] [#008000]One down side I have had happen on occasion with having the trailing fly coming off of the bend of the hook is that the tippet has slid off the end of the hook.[/#008000] [#008000][/#008000] [#008000]I will have to try the dropper coming off a loop in the tippet going form the leader to the main fly.[/#008000] ------------------------
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]Plus de-barbbed hooks are trick at times with that off the bend dropper.[/size][/black][/font]
[font "Comic Sans MS"][black][size 3]As a second part of you first question, is to keep it simple so as not to tangle to much. Off the bend or very short tag, or off the line all together. No loose ends to wrap around each other.[/size][/black][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][size 3]----------------[/size][/font] [font "Comic Sans MS"][#500028][size 3]I have thought about using a very short tag off the point fly tippet but obviously never done it.[/size][/#500028][/font] [/reply]
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