06-30-2010, 03:22 PM
[quote walleyebob]Really? Apples and Oranges. O.K. you being all knowing Walleye guy, explain why Walleye have done fine in Deer Creek for the past forty years without much management.What about Utah Lake? A totally different type of lake and still a thriving Walleye water. IN UTAH! Imagine that.
Red Fleet seems to be more like the Canadian Walleye waters than either of these waters, so why will Red Fleet automatically be a boom and bust cycle? [/quote]
are you serious?
OK. Here goes:
1. Walleye are native to central Canada and the midwest US. They evolved there. The natural ecosystems have "built-in" controls to maintain healthy populations of both the predators and the prey. Here in Utah, walleye are not native. They didn't evolve here and mother nature has not provided any natural systems to help maintain healthy populations.
2. Red Fleet is a reservoir, not a natural lake. This means that (just like Yuba) water levels fluctuate. This creates problems for prey species that depend on high water levels to support natural reproduction. Without the prey species ability to maintain a population, how will the predator species maintain a healthy population? FWIW, walleye have an easier time reproducing than perch do.
3. Walleye in Deer Creek done fine? That subject is highly debatable.
4. Utah Lake. Probably the suited water in Utah for walleye. Large lake, little fluctuation in water level, numerous other prey species. Good lake for walleye. Compare it to Red Fleet, which is a relatively small reservoir (520 acres compared to Utah Lake at over 96,000 acres, and compared to Boysen at over 19,000 acres) whose water is used for irrigation. Prey species are nearly non-existant, as Red Fleet is already too heavy on the predator side of the scale.
5. Red Fleet like a Canadian walleye water? Really? How so? You mean surrounded by red navajo sand-stone? Or is it the juniper and pinyon forest surroudning it? Or maybe that it's an irrigation impoundment? You mean the large mouth bass? A Canadian like water, eh? You been drinking too much Molsen.
crankem -- Boysen very well may be a good fit for walleye. The majority of Utah waters have proven to not be. Some work out fine (Powell, Utah Lake). Most don't. You claim that Utah won't manage for walleye. I counter that Utah does: they recognize the numerous issues that Utah waters have supporting walleye and do what they can to keep them isolated to specific waters. UDWR has done everyhting in their power to manage for walleye at Yuba. Unfortunately, Yuba simply isn't a good fit to sustain healthy populations of walleye, as history has shown. Red Fleet won't be a good fit for walleye.
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Red Fleet seems to be more like the Canadian Walleye waters than either of these waters, so why will Red Fleet automatically be a boom and bust cycle? [/quote]
are you serious?
OK. Here goes:
1. Walleye are native to central Canada and the midwest US. They evolved there. The natural ecosystems have "built-in" controls to maintain healthy populations of both the predators and the prey. Here in Utah, walleye are not native. They didn't evolve here and mother nature has not provided any natural systems to help maintain healthy populations.
2. Red Fleet is a reservoir, not a natural lake. This means that (just like Yuba) water levels fluctuate. This creates problems for prey species that depend on high water levels to support natural reproduction. Without the prey species ability to maintain a population, how will the predator species maintain a healthy population? FWIW, walleye have an easier time reproducing than perch do.
3. Walleye in Deer Creek done fine? That subject is highly debatable.
4. Utah Lake. Probably the suited water in Utah for walleye. Large lake, little fluctuation in water level, numerous other prey species. Good lake for walleye. Compare it to Red Fleet, which is a relatively small reservoir (520 acres compared to Utah Lake at over 96,000 acres, and compared to Boysen at over 19,000 acres) whose water is used for irrigation. Prey species are nearly non-existant, as Red Fleet is already too heavy on the predator side of the scale.
5. Red Fleet like a Canadian walleye water? Really? How so? You mean surrounded by red navajo sand-stone? Or is it the juniper and pinyon forest surroudning it? Or maybe that it's an irrigation impoundment? You mean the large mouth bass? A Canadian like water, eh? You been drinking too much Molsen.
crankem -- Boysen very well may be a good fit for walleye. The majority of Utah waters have proven to not be. Some work out fine (Powell, Utah Lake). Most don't. You claim that Utah won't manage for walleye. I counter that Utah does: they recognize the numerous issues that Utah waters have supporting walleye and do what they can to keep them isolated to specific waters. UDWR has done everyhting in their power to manage for walleye at Yuba. Unfortunately, Yuba simply isn't a good fit to sustain healthy populations of walleye, as history has shown. Red Fleet won't be a good fit for walleye.
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