08-25-2013, 10:17 PM
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[quote SHigSpeed]The kiddie pool is a good idea. Probably hard to find one deep enough to allow you to fully dangle your feet, but it is better than nothing. It'd be great for chasing leaks though.
PON: The deep kiddie pools are too expensive for me, and I use a crossbar in front 90% of the time with my feet out of water, so 18" to 24" depth does it. Still, I can fine tune the different bladder position adjustments and inflation levels so that I sit perfectly level with my cargo and my most comfortable sitting position. The shorter the tube, the more critical this is, so it might be good in adjusting your short design bladder sizes by inflation or design if needed for different size occupants.
My inflator bag's nozzles ones have the pusher on it already. It'd be difficult to use a flimsy plastic bag otherwise due to the pressure needed to move the flapper away. You're right - you don't lose much air because though the bulk of the inflation is complete, there is no pressure built up. I can fill both bladders easily in under 3 minutes with the bag. Probably pretty comparable to using a double action pump.
PON: I used the clear 39 gal 0.95 mil lawn leaf bags which are pretty tough to pressure and punctures (bag=2oz, inflator tube=2oz approximate). They can fill one side pontoon on the first compression fast with the Boston valve stopper completely off. Whole tube can be done with 3 air captures to low pressure, so they are ready for top off my mouth tube.
Are you somehow disengaging the flapper on a Boston valve with an inflator sack and nozzle system?
Seems like the little holes would be too small to accept a pin enough to do much at all. Or are you talking about the oral inflator tube for the seats?
PON: No, the Boston stopper is removed when air goes in and I quickly jam my thumb shallow into the large hole until I can get the Boston cap back on. The bag does have the pressure capacity to push back the Boston flapper and inflate through the little holes, but at a slower rate. The seat bladders and pontoon bladders also use the same mouth inflator tube but with different nipple adapters. There are 2 seat bladder adapters, one for fast inflation with the bag which pushes the flapper in and a second one that does not touch the flapper for mouth inflation.
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Hope this helps.
Pon
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[quote SHigSpeed]The kiddie pool is a good idea. Probably hard to find one deep enough to allow you to fully dangle your feet, but it is better than nothing. It'd be great for chasing leaks though.
PON: The deep kiddie pools are too expensive for me, and I use a crossbar in front 90% of the time with my feet out of water, so 18" to 24" depth does it. Still, I can fine tune the different bladder position adjustments and inflation levels so that I sit perfectly level with my cargo and my most comfortable sitting position. The shorter the tube, the more critical this is, so it might be good in adjusting your short design bladder sizes by inflation or design if needed for different size occupants.
My inflator bag's nozzles ones have the pusher on it already. It'd be difficult to use a flimsy plastic bag otherwise due to the pressure needed to move the flapper away. You're right - you don't lose much air because though the bulk of the inflation is complete, there is no pressure built up. I can fill both bladders easily in under 3 minutes with the bag. Probably pretty comparable to using a double action pump.
PON: I used the clear 39 gal 0.95 mil lawn leaf bags which are pretty tough to pressure and punctures (bag=2oz, inflator tube=2oz approximate). They can fill one side pontoon on the first compression fast with the Boston valve stopper completely off. Whole tube can be done with 3 air captures to low pressure, so they are ready for top off my mouth tube.
Are you somehow disengaging the flapper on a Boston valve with an inflator sack and nozzle system?
Seems like the little holes would be too small to accept a pin enough to do much at all. Or are you talking about the oral inflator tube for the seats?
PON: No, the Boston stopper is removed when air goes in and I quickly jam my thumb shallow into the large hole until I can get the Boston cap back on. The bag does have the pressure capacity to push back the Boston flapper and inflate through the little holes, but at a slower rate. The seat bladders and pontoon bladders also use the same mouth inflator tube but with different nipple adapters. There are 2 seat bladder adapters, one for fast inflation with the bag which pushes the flapper in and a second one that does not touch the flapper for mouth inflation.
_SHig[/quote]
Hope this helps.
Pon
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