Yuba?

[Lovetofish1965]

Anyone been down there lately? How was the fishing? Thanks
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[fuzzyfisher]

was there last week.. carp were mouth hitting 6 inch crank baits.. fished all day for 4 or 5 lost carp half way in and 3 that got to the boat we could not rip the hooks out reeling them in.. lol [crazy]
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[fuzzyfisher]

pic added..
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[strawberryquest]

Doesn't suprise me. Not sure what to think of yuba.
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[Anglinarcher]

Yuba looks to be in need of a reset. I sure wish we could use the same Virus the Aussies are using to kill carp.
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[PBH]

rotenone is pretty effective.
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[Anglinarcher]

It sure is, but it is a clean slate, killing all fish. The carp specific Harpies virus that the Aussies are using kills only carp. Sources tell me that it is saving some of their native species and numerous bodies of water.

We have a close cousin to that virus in the US that occasionally breaks out and kills carp. I saw it in Washington at Spokane Lake once. Killed about 30 % of the carp but left the Bass, Pike, Trout, etc., etc., unharmed.

Left some of the best fishing I have ever seen and did not take years for the fish to grow up after being restocked.
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[Blackellunge]

carp on a crankbait! pretty classic.
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[PBH]

How many years would it take for the herpies virus to kill 70% of the carp population?


How many years would it take to kill 99%+ of the carp population using rotenone, then restock and have a viable fishery?


I'd bet that the second option would happen faster, and provide fewer carp to boot.




(if native species were a concern, then I could understand going with a fish-specific culling method. But we aren't talking native species protection here -- we're talking a sport-fish restoration.)
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[Anglinarcher]

The isolated Virus the Aussies have been using kill in days. They have a much stronger version then the one I saw and it is introduced in strong concentrations where the one in Washington occurred naturally and spread like normal infections.

The advantage is that the one used by the Aussies does not kill endangered or threatened native species so it can be used at any water. Think UL???

Sure rotenone works great, I am a big fan, but....... seems more and more states are pulling back from it.
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[PBH]

[quote Anglinarcher]

Sure rotenone works great, I am a big fan, but....... seems more and more states are pulling back from it.[/quote]

why is that?

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[Therapist]

Does anyone know why the virus is not being used if the Australians are not seeing any adverse effects? Sounds almost to good to be true, especially with the pending disaster in the Great Lakes if the Asian carp get into the system. Seems that this virus would be the best way to prevent that.

As to rotenone , my guess is that they are getting pressure from groups like PETA and other environmentalists because it kills everything. People who don't understand the dynamics of wildlife management always complain about things they don't understand. Heaven forbid that they do a little research and educate themselves about the process and not make strictly emotional judgments.

Anyone know where more on this virus can be found ?? Journal articles, reports, etc ??

[dubob]

[quote Therapist]As to rotenone , my guess is that they are getting pressure from groups like PETA and other environmentalists because it kills everything. People who don't understand the dynamics of wildlife management always complain about things they don't understand.[/quote][font "Comic Sans MS"][#800000]It's called “to anthropomorphize” - give human characteristics to animals, inanimate objects or natural phenomena. PETA members have an over abundance of this trait. No amount of education will ever change that trait. [:/][/#800000][/font]
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[doitall5000]

As to rotenone , my guess is that they are getting pressure from groups like PETA and other environmentalists because it kills everything. People who don't understand the dynamics of wildlife management always complain about things they don't understand. Heaven forbid that they do a little research and educate t

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This great advise can be applied to many things, ( political, government, ) most criticism comes from " I heard this people) not from informed people.

Just my opinion
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[PBH]

[quote Therapist]
As to rotenone , my guess is that they are getting pressure... because it kills everything. People [anglers] who don't understand the dynamics of wildlife management always complain about things they don't understand. Heaven forbid that they do a little research and educate themselves about the process and not make strictly emotional judgments.

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I don't think for 1 second that it has to do with PETA. I do, however, believe it has to do with the general ignorance of the public in general.

It's not PETA that has caused issues with getting Boulder Creek treated, but rather the locals in Boulder.

It wasn't PETA that caused problems with getting a treatment approved at Panguitch Lake, but rather it was (again) locals.

It isn't PETA crying about the use of rotenone at Yuba right now -- but rather, it's local anglers.

The ignorance isn't PETA. It's US!


As for Journal articles on the virus -- there sure isn't much credible info on this.



but, heck, let's not use rotenone because we're all scared of chemicals. Let's instead introduce a virus into the wild and let it do it's thing. Makes sense to me!


(seriously, though, it would be nice to see some credible info on this virus.)
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[PBH]

[quote Therapist]

Anyone know where more on this virus can be found ?? Journal articles, reports, etc ??[/quote]

Here's something from the University of Florida:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/pdffiles/vm/vm11300.pdf
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[Fowl-Hook]

Labeling a difference of opinion about the use of Rotenone as Ignorance seems a bit lacking in grace, compassion or respect for the opinion of others.
Some enjoy the fact that Redmond and the Sevier drainage, especially Yuba have a population of Northern Pike that supports a 20 fish limit according to UDWR.
Northern Pike seem to have done rather well under the extreme water fluctuations that Yuba experiences.
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[Fishrmn]

Yuba doesn't really support a 20 fish limit for pike. The limit is set at 20 to encourage harvest of a predatory fish that can't sustain the current population and the population dynamics. Yuba has seen nothing but boom and bust cycles. The popularity of the fishery follows the same cycles. the UDWR is trying to get a fishery that can be managed. I would much rather see a stable fishery, rather than a boom of pike and then a crash. And rotenone is a much better option than releasing an unmanageable virus into the system.



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[RiverRat77]

I'm in fountain green. I need more catfish bait and my boys don't care what we catch, they just like fishing. Where at yuba would you recommend I take em so we could catch a mess of carp on worms?
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[ifishutah]

I've spent quite a bit of time researching the "carp" herpes virus. The official name is:
Cyprinid herpesvirus 3
If you google Koi herpes you'll see that the herpes already exists in the United States. In fact it has to be reported to the CDC if encountered because it completely wipes out populations of "carp or koi". Those fish that do survive become carriers and pass the herpes on to those that don't anytime the water temp is between 60-80 degrees (roughly). So during the winter months there is no effect on the fish, only when temps reach that 60-80 degree mark. It's quite unique and there have been outbreaks in California that have decimated the carp populations.

The real problem with using the herpes virus is that within 2-3 days of the virus becoming active it wipes out 90%+ of the population of carp. That amount of biomass creates quite a stink.

Here's the wiki link:

[url "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprinid_herpesvirus_3"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprinid_herpesvirus_3[/url]

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[url "https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294573/"]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3294573/[/url]

There's a wealth of info on it, too much to add here. Hope that helps.


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