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Okay. I was wrong. I believed the UDWR when they said that they couldn't put Tiger Muskies in Scofield because they couldn't prevent them from going downstream. They put them in anyway.
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[#0000FF]They say it takes a big man to admit a mistake. But I wonder how that is affected by making an honest mistake...based upon the input and habit patterns of others in a position of responsibility.
Reminds me of the old saying: "I made a mistake once. I thought I had made a mistake and I hadn't."
Dominoes Nabisco...or however that goes.
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Well, they won't go hungry, will they?
It'll at least give a few folks a reason to go back down there too in about a year or two.
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Utah Muskies, Inc. Chapter 65 is working closely and positively with DNR regarding this species and stocking. Chapter is currently tagging and clipping pelvic fin rays on PV. This study purpose is to determine age of Tiger Muskies in PV.
With that being said here's more info on Scofield tiger muskie recent stocking of 3-4 inch tiger muskies. They went in earlier than planned because we were worried they were going to eat each other in the hatchery and wouldn't have more than a few to stock this year.
This is an experimental stocking to see if they can survive and if they can escape the reservoir. The reservoir has been spilling for the past 3-4 weeks. DNR is surveying the reservoir and Lower Fish Creek for tiger muskie escapement every week until it quits spilling and then throughout the rest of the year.
So more to follow.
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There's no reason to go there now. And if the chubs don't hurry up with a fresh batch of babies, there'll be some Tiger Muskies wondering what to eat.
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Not going anywhere just letting folks know what is going on with Scofield with more details forthcoming for those interested.
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12 more years of nobody fishing there, and nothing to catch.
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Why not just poison it?! Educate me. Instead of literally waiting 10 years for these fish to hopefully get the chubs under control...why not just poison it for immediate results and get the lake back quicker? Educate me if I'm extremely wrong
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why not make use of a great food base to grow big fish? or is the can of fix a lake faster to you? only the can of fix a lake don't work! [:/] been tried time and time again still the chub come back.. but go take a look at lakes with the tigers' and or walleye in and you'll be hard pressed to find a chub in them and when ya do it's a big one.. think about that for a while.. only big one's mean all the small ones are food.. it works so much better then a can of fix a lake. [crazy][crazy][crazy]
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[quote Fishrmn]12 more years of nobody fishing there, and nothing to catch.
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Broken record...
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Why not mirror Strawberry. Was poisoned in 1990, and now look at it. Has proven results!
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The broken record is the 12 years we've suffered through, and another 12 while they experiment. We know what works. Rotenone. We know how to keep the chubs from getting control of the reservoir. It wasn't just chubs that ruined Scofield, it was waiting too long to add predators, and waiting even longer to add slot limits.
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Scofield is not Strawberry. 2 very diffrent lakes. one is very big and deep the other not so much.. look at all the lakes in utah that are like scofield, otter creek comes to mind, piute, as well been fighting chub's for the 50 years i can remember and guess what? poisoned time and time again same with Scofield but it has never got rid of the chub ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! think you want to fish the lake for 5 or 6 years of good fishing then another 12 years of crappy fishing.. that's the poison way.. but you want it to great fishing again but only for a short time...
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[quote fuzzyfisher]Scofield is not Strawberry. 2 very diffrent lakes. one is very big and deep the other not so much.. look at all the lakes in utah that are like scofield, otter creek comes to mind, piute, as well been fighting chub's for the 50 years i can remember and guess what? poisoned time and time again same with Scofield but it has never got rid of the chub ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [/quote]
(Let's use username's, shall we)-- what you fail to recognize is that with Piute, the goal has NEVER been to eliminate chubs and other rough fish. You also won't recognize that with Piute, water is always the issue. Rotenone has been used "time and time again" at Piute to simply press the "restart" button when water levels have receded to the point that few fish remain. Rotenone ALWAYS provides a good fresh start to provide a nice trout fishery for number of years, when water available.
With Otter Creek -- how on earth can anyone complain about any past treatments? That place is amazing today!!
And, if you really want a comparison for scofield, why not look at Panguitch Lake? Rotenone turned that into the BEST trout fishery in Utah! You can't argue against Panguitch.
Poison Scofield today. Restock with the desired species of fish (tigers, cutts, sterile walleye, etc.) to get ahead of rough fish, then watch it flourish.
you guys want to say rotenone never works -- and that it the rough fish come back. I say rotenone works every time you use it, and it just needs to be used more frequently. What's worse? 12 years of poor fishing, or 2? I'll take those 2 poor years with 10 good vs. 12 years of poor any day.
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but the same can be said about Joe's valley, Starvation, and some of the other lakes where tiger's trout and musky splake and other predator fish can and have have done the same job in some cases better then Rotenone? you saying that the DWR is Wrong for trying something diffrent?
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[quote fuzzyfisher]but the same can be said about Joe's valley, Starvation, and some of the other lakes where tiger's trout and musky splake and other predator fish can and have have done the same job in some cases better then Rotenone? [/quote]
They wanted to treat Joe's Valley, but couldn't mainly due to downstream water commitments (culinary). So, the only option at Joe's Valley was to go with the new management plan including splake and tiger musky. Sure -- it has helped Joe's Valley. I won't argue that.
[quote fuzzyfisher]you saying that the DWR is Wrong for trying something diffrent?[/quote]
something different? They've been trying the same thing for over 12 years now!! What is different?
I just don't get why you guys don't want to poison it, with the understanding that a 100% kill won't happen, come back with tiger musky, sterile walleye, and whatever fish you want, and enjoy a thriving fishery in 2 years!
In stead you'd rather continue with this failed experiment hoping that continued stocking of predators on top of an existing over-population of adult chubs and cross your fingers that something will change that hasn't changed in 12 years?
Good luck. Have fun.
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but as far as i know there have never been tiger musky or walleye, smallmouth, wippers. tried at Scofield. ??? so how is this more of the same? sounds like maybe they are going to give them a try.. it really can't hurt to give it a 3 or 4 year try then if it's not working out poison it and start over.. [  ] sounds fun to me!
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Starvation had Walleyes that could reproduce. They could have literally millions of young Walleye to eat the chubs. And it took THIRTY YEARS to eliminate the chubs there. And Starvation wasn't accustomed to the number of fishermen that Scofield has supported. People used to line up at the boat ramp and wait their turn to fish Scofield. Now they drive right past. Rotenone works. I'd rather have a fishery in 2 years instead of 20. Because that's how long Scofield will have been nearly worthless as a fishery by the time they figure out that they can't put enough predators in there to overcome the chubs and finally decide to use rotenone. Get the chubs under control, and put slot limits on the predators. How tough is that?
How bad has the UDWR gotten when they refer to the fishing at Scofield as good right now?
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Fishing isn't good at Scofield. Nobody is going there, and nobody is catching gamefish. Have any of you caught and kept one of those Cutthroats? They have absolutely NO entrails. They're starving to death. Their bodies are consuming themselves. They can't get a bite to eat when every insect is eaten by a chub, and they can't get big enough to eat chubs without something to grow on.
I would just like to see the people who think it's a great idea to wait while we see if the current "plan" can work fish exclusively at Scofield. See how much confidence you have in the "plan".
My son and I caught two trout at Nine Mile reservoir recently. Nine Mile was drained dry last year, so there are no holdovers, and very few fish. But because the chubs haven't made an appearance yet, the Rainbows have grown fat and sassy. When one launched himself nearly 7 feet out of the water, my son had more fun than he's had at Scofield in 10 years.
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so now your comparing Scofield to 9 mile?? lmao really.. i guess you have no idea of the food base in 9 mile. or your giving Scofield a lot more credit then it deserves. i have fished both all my life! 9 mile has always had a lot bigger fish then Scofield. and again one is a lot bigger then the other!!..
and they grow faster because 9 mile is lower in elevation with a longer growing time and the fresh water shrimp coming out of the hot springs not because it don't have chub in there.. but in the past it has had chub and carp and even pond carp.. but you know so has scofield!
so let the guy's who's job it is to manage the fish do there job.. lol it going to be fun just give it a chance! [  ]
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No, I'm not comparing Scofield to Nine Mile reservoir. I'm comparing a fishery that doesn't have chubs with one that does. The one that has chubs is a horrible fishery. The one that doesn't have chubs is growing feisty fish in a hurry. There's plenty of food in Scofield to grow fish just as fast as Nine Mile, but it's all going to feed chubs.
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