Chuming....

[tomegun]

[green][size 2]Do you chum? I once dumped my old gross looking night crawlers in my ice hole. SOmetime later that day, I caught a 23" fish with hole bunch of nightcrawlers in its belly. I didn't think they were my worms. These were alot healthier than the ones I released.[/size][/green]
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[pleasantmisery]

So does that mean if I take a crawler off my hook, to put on a new one, and throw it down the ice hole I'm chuming?
Same goes with any other bait (salmon eggs, power bait, etc.)

Just a question.
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[UintaIce]

The Proclamation states: "Chumming - dislodging or depositing in the water any substance not attached to a hook, line or trap, which may attract fish."
So based upon that, by the letter of the law, yes; dropping the old bait into the water as you put on a fresh worm is chumming.
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[pleasantmisery]

Good call.
When I take the mellows or the cheese I eat as much as I use for bait. There's usually not much left over to take home.
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[tomegun]

[green][size 2]Oh I don't know, crawlers and salmon eggs taste a little like cavier.
Thank goodness I was in Wyoming[blush].
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[Kent]

You missed one -- remember when it was ok to catch those perch through the ice, but if you happen to hook one of those precious trout you must immediately release it down the ice hole! I think if Tom Pettengill had his way fishing in Utah would not be so restrictive.
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[Kayote]

Hey TD,

Why do you think I like yakfishing the pacific so much?. First I use canned catfood to chum up my 'LIVE' bait, which I catch on a sabiki rig with seven hooks. Then I'm allowed an unlimited number of rods on which I troll the live fishies. Life is good. I just have to make sure to not give the sea dogs a love tap with the paddle when they come a begging or risk a serious prison sentence. You also about need a PhD to decipher the harvest regs. Oh well, nothings perfect. Maybe I need to move to old Mexico, where if you have a license pretty much anything goes. Dang, I am in need of a road trip.........

Ocean Yak Dreaming, Kayote
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[fishley]

FYI we have the same law here in wyo good thing a red shirt did'nt see ya. If it were leagal I would be chumming mac's with those little koke's. Its just the law yes even in wyoming. sorry[unsure]
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[FargoJim]

I agree about goofyness of the Utah trout-protection regulations. I grew up fishing in Minnesota where there are not a lot of rules. The DWR shouldn't be concerned with how you catch the trout - only with how many you keep.

If they reallt want to make it harder to catch the trout, they could just outlaw fishfinders and boogers...
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[tomegun]

[green][size 2]I meant Canada. Damn sinus infarction, I can't get anything right.[/size][/green]
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[clipripper]

Actually in Wyoming chumming is legal the law states that you can not chum with game fish or parts of game fish. Therfore you can chum with suckers,carp,worms,ect. other than Corn.

chris
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[Theekillerbee]

Yeah...Canada is where it was at...I was there officer, we were in Canada! Which province you ask......mmm...manniwherethehellbec!
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[tomegun]

It was man-i-told-ya. The fly in trip.
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[BrianID]

The only place that I would admit to chumming is at Lake Powell for strippers or is it stripers[blush]???. Chumming can be extremly effective but like TubeDude said is better to obey the law. There is a reason for these laws even if you don't agree with them. I would like to see some places in Idaho allow chumming like Lake Powell does but the Idaho F&G and other western states are hesitant to do things like that because when you give some guys an inch they will try to go a mile.

When I clean fish I will normally toss the guts out where it is deeper instead of leaving them on the shore or shallow water next to the shore. The law in Idaho reads "to put any substance in the water not attached to a hook to attrack fish." I don't toss fish guts out to attrack fish and normally do it when I'm leaving so technically it is legal but I'm sure if I ran into the wrong fish cop it is possible that I could get a ticket. I'll also toss out a used worm or other bait when I'm done with it but don't consider it chumming and I doubt you would get a ticket for it unless your changing bait every 5 minutes[].

It's just my opinion but I think when a fish cop sees that someone is using corn they know that it is normally safe to assume they are chumming with it and the fish cop normally doesn't have to hide in the bushes with binoculars too long before the water is sprinkled with corn. Most these guys that are using corn are good people but corn can bring out the worst in all of us and for that reason I took the can opener out of my tackle box. Corn is cheap enough that it is too much work to store for latter use and we all know it is bad to let things go to waste []. I don't really look down on anyone that uses corn but it is better to follow the law.
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[iconoclasticPaul]

Awwwww damn, all this time, I've been breaking the law by dumping the leftover contents from a worm can... "Officer, I wasn't chumming! I'm just feeding the fish... see that group over there with cams? They're PETA, they love me because I'm feeding 'em..."[angelic]
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[carpkiller]

Just a note on the corn. correct me if i am wrong but According to my buddy-biologist the reason that corn is not allowed is the little fishies love to eat it but it plugs up their systems and they starve to death. I think that we are all interested in the future of the fisheries and this is why corn is not allowed.
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[Kent]

I used to believe this also, but I have been convinced (can no longer find the source of the information) that fish thrive on corn.
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[tomegun]

I always believe that fish thrive on peanut butter[]

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[FargoJim]

I've read many time that although corn is not digested well by trout, it will not kill them. Here is one study published by the Pennsyvania Fish and Boat Commission:


[img]file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cjkerstin%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_image001.gif[/img]During the last few years, I have seen more and more people using corn for bait. But it seems as if they are now being so bold as to sow the stream with handfuls at a time before casting their lines. I have always had the understanding corn cannot be digested by the trout and they would die from ingesting it. If this is the case, is it illegal to sow corn?
[img]file:///C:%5CDOCUME%7E1%5Cjkerstin%5CLOCALS%7E1%5CTemp%5Cmsohtml1%5C01%5Cclip_image002.gif[/img]Commission fisheries biologist Tom Bender at our Benner Spring Fish Research Station conducted a study in 1992 that examined the impact of corn on trout. For the study, two groups of hatchery rainbow trout were held in separate tanks and tested for 54 days. In one tank, 20 rainbow trout (average size 8.3 inches) were fed a diet of whole kernel corn. In the second tank, 20 rainbow trout of the same size were fed a standard trout pellet diet.
During the 54 day study period, no mortalities occurred from trout of either study group. However, study results did show that the trout fed with a corn diet did not digest the corn particularly well. The growth observed by the corn-fed trout during the study period was only about half of that observed from the trout that were fed the standard trout pellet diet.
The conclusion from this study was that there appears to be little reason for concern about the short term health hazards for rainbow trout when whole kernel corn is used for bait. Although there are better diets for trout than whole kernel corn, this study confirms that mortality does not occur when trout ingest whole kernel corn.
You also asked about the practice of anglers using handfuls of corn to attract fish - a practice sometimes called "chumming." For waters managed under statewide regulations, chumming with corn or other bait to attract fish would be considered a legal practice, providing that anglers don't get carried away and liberally coat the bottom of the stream with corn. If this were the case, then it could be considered littering.
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[FargoJim]

This is from Game and Fish Magazine:

"While fresh corn, yellow or white, doesn't seem to work well at all, canned, whole-kernel, yellow corn makes a great trout bait. Some believe this is because fine-ground grains are one of the main components in fish pellets, one of which may be corn. The list of ingredients on the side of the fish pellet can does not specify which types of grains are used, but corn seems to top the list of most commercially prepared fish and animal foods. If this is indeed the case, there's a good argument for the use of corn for trout bait, particularly during the early days of the season."

I believe that since hatchery trout pellets may contain grain, including corn, and since whole kernel corn looks must like the pellets, it is too effective a bait.
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