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New lake in the valley...
#1
[cool]Here's a good article on the new lake going in at the Daybreak community out in the old Kennecot wasteland area. Looks like there will be trout and bluegill in it ('til the bucket bozos-I mean biologists get a hold of it).:
[url "http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635156923,00.html"]http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635156923,00.html[/url]
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#2
You left out smallmouth bass.
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#3
that will be nice if they do as they say will.
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#4
Ducks and geese won't use shore line with plants growing on it? This BOZO must be a college educated eastern born idiot environmentalist. I guess he has never been to a marsh. Cattails and weeds grow so thick you can't see thru them and ducks and geese everywhere. This idiot must be a proud member of P.E.T.A, because his comment is about as dumb as their propaganda.
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#5
[cool]Right you are, Cliff. I hadn't read the whole thing when I posted it. Later on in the article it does also mention smallmouth bass. That's gonna be a pretty cool lake to take out the float tube on! I guess you could take out your bass chaser boat, but you'll have to take off the motor first and get some paddles, LOL.
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#6
Come on guys... take a gander at the deseret again! Something just doesn't sound right or should I say its fishy?! First of all, that Utah state biologist Johnson says there will be fish who feed off the top level, and fish who feed off the middle column, and then there are bottom feeders. He ratted off names of fish such as blue gills, smallies, and trout (Blah blah).

Ok I had a question of where this water was coming from, and it reads Utah Lake, well, get this, they have it piped into canals from somewhere along Jordan River. Then my eyes opened even bigger on this point and I became a smug little devil with improper thoughts... Yahooooo... whatever goes into the Jordan river, will end up into that lake.... what this means?! Walleyes!!!! See doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out, and this hopunkdunk dude thinks it can be managed...? How the heck do you keep walleyes out of there? You can't, not with this canal piping in... It just might be another Utah lake but without the sediment...
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#7
Well, lets wait a few years and see who is right, the bozo or you.
First they state that the actual shoreline will be rocks, I assume simular to those at willard bay. Ever see a duck or goose exit the water onto land? They like to walk out if they can. Hard to do for them on rocks.

Lets not get our hopes up about fishing this water. It will be wholey private and surrounded by expensive houses. Does Stansbury come to mind?
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#8
You missed one line. They say that they are pumping the water from the canals. I don't think that your walleyes will do very well going through a pump. The bucket biologists will have to put them in there in order for them to get in there.
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#9
I have a twelve foot by twelve foot pond in my back yard. Lined with rocks and concrete, two foot deep. I have ducks and geese in it all the time. I also have bird feeder in the back yard and many a time I have watched these ducks and geese do kind of "mini jump / fly" from the pond to the feeder. These ducks and geese have never ruined my my pond or backyard.
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#10
I jump at free all day buffets too!
I live very near Liberty park and walk my dog there twice a day. The ducks and Geese, have defecated everywhere within 500 feet of the pond. They are a mess. The ducks defecate right into the water. It stinks. I know if I paid the money they will be asking for those places I would not want goose poop on my yard.
My 30 years of waterfoweling have taught me a thing or two about wildfowl. There are places they like to hang out and there are places they don't like to hang out. Rocky rip-rap shoreline is not what ducks and geese like to walk on. Yes they may jump/fly up to the top of the dike for a free buffet of millit, sunflowers and corn but not for bitter brush, quakies, basket flowers and pine mulch.

KSL web is reporting that the lake is intended to remain open to the public for fishing and non motorised boating. That would be nice.
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#11
I spoke with the biologist working on this project several months ago. Too bad its a private lake for Daybreak home owners. Sad May make it a killer fishery in years to come if they do things right.
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#12
[cool]Wow, you're still alive? Long time no post, Paul! Been chasing any 'eyes lately?
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#13
One thing that I have learned over the years is that smalles do not do well in small lakes, they tend to stay small.

Where as largemouth will grow large in small lakes as well as bigger ones, and in less time.
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Yeah...the article says they're going to filter the water...uh huh!

Can you imagine the costs of maintaining these "filters". The Bangetter shrimp pumps at Great Salt Lake spring to mind. And then the aquarium style purple aerators? Can you just imagine the additional costs for these in a mile long lake? Guess who will be paying those costs. Wonder if all these perks will be added to the CC&R's for these homeowners.

Oh yes...and let us not forget the trophy mosquito hatches that occur in all marshes and wetlands. Hope they're going to include 55 gallon drums of repellent as a closing perk at purchase.

The article also mentions that the deepest point will be around 18 feet deep. I hate to remind these rocket scientists that we have other urban ponds in this area and every one of them heat up significantly in this desert environment to the point of stressing out and killing many of the "official" Utah fish the Trout. I wonder if they are also going to provide refrigeration to keep the water temperature down. Even smallies once reaching a certain size stress under water temperatures above 72 degrees.

And let's talk about structure. How inviting to migrating birds is an island in the middle of an aerated (open water in winter) lake that is protected from hunting with plush green manicured lawns all around the shoreline. Riprap or not...what a great refuge this is going to make. And let's also not forget...the bleeding hearts that will automatically begin a feeding program creating the urban goose who doesn't migrate in winter. These avian bullies will stick around all year becoming acclimated to their human hosts.

Oh...and lets not forget mating season for those honkers. Have any of you been on a golf course when they've taken over the 9th hole?
This may prove to be a classic comedy of errors.

Don't get me wrong...I think every community should have a lake of their own. We really need 10 - 15 more in the valley. But I have to Smile at the prospect of the Bird, Bee, and Bunny lover mentality projected with this aquatic endeavor.

Wonder how the local's domestic animals are going to fair, when they harass a federally protected duck or goose especially in the spring. Once their nests have been established...it is unlawful to harass these so called "cows of the sky."

Of course...Stansbury is a classic example of public money being dumped into an open to the public fishery in the beginning only to see it fall into a special permit private water. I can see the writing on the wall here. What they say and what they do will be two different things. We may be allowed to wet a line the first couple of years, until all the property is sold...and those rich and shameless multi-million dollar castles are built...but then...friends...pauper and pawns will be cast out. Mark my words...and remember how it was in the past (remember Stansbury).

Now lets address catch and release. I think that's what they said this type of fishery this would be. But I ask...is this going to be an artificial lure catch and release lake or is bait (power bait), cheese, marshmallows, worms, etc...going to be allowed. Because I wonder how you release a trout that is gut-hooked (treble hook with cheese). Not to mention the aestetics of the area...with worm containers, empty cheese and salmon egg bottles, and broken fishing line draped all amongst the riprap indigious to all fisheries.
Will they have a Kennecott guard posted to ticket violators of the clean urban shoreline private property act? Another cost to be added to the public for the private property owner?

Here's what they're thinking about the food chain:
Top feeders (trout) will feed on the insect life...and only the smallest of the bluegill and bass frye.
Top feeders (smallmouth) will feed on insect life and small bluegill and the trout frye if available.
Middle feeders (blue gill) feeding off of insects.
Bottom feeders (???) types were not mentioned...so assuming there is none or are they talking about catfish??? Questions here...cause the only bottomfeeding catfish is a yellow catfish also known as a mudcat or bullhead. Channels are middle feeders and are quite the predator.

And how long is this water going to remain unstocked to allow the food source to establish before the predators are introduced. For if the food source is not well established...the fish will suffer.

And finally lets talk Bucket Biologists: Homeowners...with their little fresh water aquariums. Imagine where the unwanted goldfish and other tropical fish will end up. Nuff said.

These are just a few thoughts that crossed my mind upon reading the article. Anyone have any others???
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#15
I have fished a small lake that has some BIG smallies in it.

It is very close too.
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#16
I tend to agree with you Bassrod. LMB would fare better than SMB. I also think that it will be closed to the public before long if it opens to the public at all.
Remember all the hype about the northern "Canoe launch" at Jordenelle and how the northern part of the lake would be wakeless speed only. That was public money and we didn,t get what was promised. I doubt Kennecott will give us anything either.
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