Fishing in Bali

[JohnBudi]

Hello i was just registering.
i am interested to the posting of cboyum at
[url "http://www.bigfishtackle.com/forum/General_Fishing_C2/Saltwater_Fishing_F3/South_eastern_Indonesian_Fishing_Report_P308149/ "]jjjjj[/url]


so that were in south east indonesia,
i do fishing in my area, in Bali. here some that me and friends caught here.

Hope i post the picture correctly so you all can see....

[Tarpon4me]

Hey there John, and welcome to the bigfishtackle.com message boards! Great pic partner, it's a little fuzzy, but is that a big king mackerel? Too big for Cero or spanish, too pointy for a Wahoo. Of course my eyes aren't as good as they use to be either. LOL []

We look foward to seeing some of your insights in the future! Welcome aboard!

Bryan D.
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[tubeN2]

Welcome aboard JohnBudi. Thanks for sharing the nice report and pictures with us. We look forward to more wonderful pics and reports.[cool]
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[JohnBudi]

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Hey there John, and welcome to the bigfishtackle.com message boards! Great pic partner, it's a little fuzzy, but is that a big king mackerel? Too big for Cero or spanish, too pointy for a Wahoo. Of course my eyes aren't as good as they use to be either. LOL []

We look foward to seeing some of your insights in the future! Welcome aboard!

Bryan D. [/reply]

thats a 15.5 kilos (35 # ?) of spanish mackerel, and that big GT is 34 kilo or around 75 lbs.
i will post picture of a monster gt that is 52 kilos or about 110 pounds caught in Lombok island neighboringisland from bali.

[Tarpon4me]

That must be a different type of "spanish." The spanish mackerel i'm refering to is this one:

[url "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scmac_u0.gif"][/url]

Scomberomorus maculatus

Notice the spots on his back. The IGFA all tackle world record for this little fella is right around 15 pounds. Here's some info on this species of fish:

Spanish mackerel are similar in appearance to small King mackerel (S. Cavalla) and Cero mackerel (S. regalis). All three are very similar in shape and coloration. They may be distinguished as follows:
The lateral line on Spanish and Cero mackerel slopes gradually from the top edge of the gill to the tail. In contrast that of the king mackerel takes an abrupt drop at mid-body.
The first (spiny) dorsal on Spanish and Cero mackerel has a prominent black patch. The King mackerel has none. As all three species normally keep the first dorsal folded back in a body groove, this difference is not immediately evident.
Spanish mackerel have prominent yellow spots on the flanks at all sizes. In addition to such spots, Cero mackerel have one or more yellow stripes along the centerline. Young King mackerel have similar, but slightly smaller spots; these fade away on individuals weighing over 10 pounds (4.5 kg), but they may still be seen as spots of slightly darker green on the upper back from some angles of view.
World wide there are many members of this genus quite similar to one or another of these three species. In particular, off Mexico, Spanish mackerel may be with S. brasiliensis which may appear in the same area.


Maybe this will help clear things up a bit. [cool]
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[JohnBudi]

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That must be a different type of "spanish." The spanish mackerel i'm refering to is this one:

[url "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Scmac_u0.gif"][/url]

Scomberomorus maculatus

Notice the spots on his back. The IGFA all tackle world record for this little fella is right around 15 pounds. Here's some info on this species of fish:

Spanish mackerel are similar in appearance to small King mackerel (S. Cavalla) and Cero mackerel (S. regalis). All three are very similar in shape and coloration. They may be distinguished as follows:
The lateral line on Spanish and Cero mackerel slopes gradually from the top edge of the gill to the tail. In contrast that of the king mackerel takes an abrupt drop at mid-body.
The first (spiny) dorsal on Spanish and Cero mackerel has a prominent black patch. The King mackerel has none. As all three species normally keep the first dorsal folded back in a body groove, this difference is not immediately evident.
Spanish mackerel have prominent yellow spots on the flanks at all sizes. In addition to such spots, Cero mackerel have one or more yellow stripes along the centerline. Young King mackerel have similar, but slightly smaller spots; these fade away on individuals weighing over 10 pounds (4.5 kg), but they may still be seen as spots of slightly darker green on the upper back from some angles of view.
World wide there are many members of this genus quite similar to one or another of these three species. In particular, off Mexico, Spanish mackerel may be with S. brasiliensis which may appear in the same area.


Maybe this will help clear things up a bit. [cool] [/reply]


Tarpoon,
we calll this tenggiri, as refered to fishbase.org it should be Scomberomorus guttatus.
i also notice the spotted skin on the side from fishbase.org definitions, but it seems doesnt have it.
so what is it do you think?

[Tarpon4me]

I said i've not known Cero Mackerel to get big, but check out this article I found about them:
Cavalla Scomberomorus cavalla (Cuvier) 1829 [[url "http://www.gma.org/fogm/Scomberomorus_cavalla.htm#d0e33244"]42[/url]]
CERO
[Jordan and Evermann, 1896-1900, p. 875.]




Figure 184.—Cavalla (Scomberomorus cavalla), Woods Hole. From Goode. Drawing by H. L. Todd. Description—
The pectorals of the cavalla are scaly, and its anal fin, like that of the king mackerel originates about under the origin of its second dorsal, in which it differs from the [url "http://www.gma.org/fogm/Scomberomorus_maculatus.htm"]Spanish mackerel[/url] (p. 347). In fact, it resembles the [url "http://www.gma.org/fogm/Scomberomorus_regalis.htm"]king mackerel[/url] so closely in general appearance that the one might easily be taken for the other by anybody not used to handling the two fish as southern fisherman are. But the lateral line (very conspicuous in both) is a sure clue to identity, for this dips downward abruptly in the cavalla under the forepart of the second dorsal fin, but slopes down only gradually there in the king mackerel. Other points of difference are that the outline of the first dorsal fin is concave in the cavalla (nearly straight in the king); that the cavalla has a large number of teeth (about 40 in each jaw, as against about 30); that its body is more slender (about one-sixth as deep as it is long); and that the upper forepart of its first dorsal fin is not noticeably darker than the remainder of the fin. Color—
Iron gray above, silvery lower down on the sides and on the belly; the sides marked with darker gray or yellowish spots, which tend to disappear in large fish. Size—
Said to reach a length of a little more than 5 feet, and a weight of about 100 pounds. The rod and reel record is 73½ pounds, for one taken off Bimini, Bahamas, February 1935, by L. B. Harrison. General range—
Warm parts of the Atlantic; south to Brazil in the western side; north regularly to North Carolina (June-November);[[url "http://www.gma.org/fogm/Scomberomorus_cavalla.htm#d0e33301"]43[/url]] occasionally to southern Massachusetts; and as a stray to the southern part of the Gulf of Maine.


Maybe it's a Cero mackerel. [cool]
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[JohnBudi]

Tarpon,
thank you for the explanation, but i am sure its not cero mack because it surely has strips on the body. it could be indo-pacific king mack but the shape of its head different though, thats still confusing me that we always call this species as spanish mack.

[Tarpon4me]

LOL, it's hard to tell. Next time you get one, take a good picture of him from the side. I'll take the pic to the local university and have the biologist ID the fish. That'll take the confusion away for all of us. [cool]
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