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Lake Powell CPR (Catch Puncture & Release)
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[indent][#333333][black][size 5]It is important for anyone fishing Lake Powell to know the following information. [black][size 4]All Stripers caught SHOULD be kept in order to keep the delicate balance of predator vs prey. Any striper too skinny to be worth consumption should be CP&R (caught punctured and released) I quote the following from Wayne Gustaveson the fisheries bioligist for Lake Powell: [/size][/black] [/size][/black]

I got a question about our unusual policy on stripers in 2007 and gave this response.
I understand your concern and thank you for asking. The situation at Lake Powell is unique in that a prolific ocean fish is over producing in fresh water. We have removed the limit on stripers so that anglers can help us keep the population in balance with forage. That program has been successful in most years and has kept the striper population healthy. But recently 3 years of good forage allowed striped bass to reproduce successfully for 3 straight years. The result was too many fish times 10.
Despite harvesting almost 2 million stripers last year there are still millions and not enough forage. Therefore the adults that are not able to eat plankton are malnourished and do not have prime flesh for human consumption. They will die soon from starvation. The better thing for these thin fish is to euthanize them now and prevent them the agony of starvation. So if you catch fish that are obviously skinny it is more humane to kill them quickly. If there is not room to bring them all back to the fish cleaning station for disposal they can be sunk in deep water where the nutrients from the fish can be recycled. Make sure to puncture the air bladder.
If healthy fish are encountered treat them with respect and keep them to eat or return them as you choose. Smaller stripers are in prime condition and should not be wasted. These should be kept and filleted. Put them on ice, fillet as soon as possible, take them home and give them to your friends and neighbors. You will be very popular.
This situation is temporary and different instructions are offered each year to alert anglers of the health of the population and how they should be handled.
There is a new generation of stripers waiting to take the place of the declining adults. I expect the striped bass to be closer to balancing with forage in 2008.
Wayne

[black][size 4]It is also advisable to keep a limit of 12-14 inch smallmouth bass and a limit of walleye where possible. This is the best way to limit over predation on the shad population which results in the boom and bust years of fishing for all species in Lake Powell. [/size][/black]
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[#000000][size 4]Thanks for your assistance keep a striper and save a shad (or two)![/size][/#000000]
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Well until I see that in the Utah Fishing Guide, I will avoid getting a ticket, and not do that.
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This is where getting some info straight from the actual ticket givers would be helpful. Anyone have any contacts?
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#4
I have to agree with you on that one...... not that I don't love killing fish and throwing them back, maybe they should implement this on the middle provo.
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Before everyone get's their panties in a bunch for the second time/post on this subject, sit back and think about what we are talking about. A fish, we (I hope) are all fisherman here. This is a FREE fisherman's website, not P.E.T.A., where we talk about fishing NOT cruelty to animals/fish!!! In my opinion (which probably means nothing) you should do WHAT YOU THINK IS BEST in this case (CPR of stripers)!!! If you think you should keep them all and throw the "bad ones" in the garden, then do that. If you think you should puncture them and let the lake inherit the fishes nutrients, then do that. I am going to take the advice of Wayne on this one though, and if it so happens to be the wrong one and I get a ticket, TAKE A GUESS WHERE THAT BILL is going to go to.......WAYNE!!! HAHAHA[sly] But, I do understand where everyone is coming from and all points of view are great, but why make a mochery of this subject?
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Dont hold back, let's hear how you really feel........[shocked][cool][sly].

FF462
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I agree that the harvesting of stripers from Powell is necassary. If I get down there, I will keep every single one I catch. With that said, I would not catch, puncture, and release them. It is against the law.

I know Wayne is a respected fisherman or whatever, but I think telling people to do that is irresponsible on his part. His advice could get people tickets. I have never received a ticket before, but I know the price is hefty.. Just not worth it to me.

Just my .02 [Smile]
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[cool][#0000ff]Wayne is not just a "respected fisherman...or whatever". He is the fisheries biologist for Utah Division of Wildlife Resources for Lake Powell.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]When he encourages CPR on distressed wipers, it is the suggestion of a fisheries biologist and an officer of DWR. [/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]We all are free to make our own decisions for our own reasons, but Wayne is someone who needs no second guessing.[/#0000ff]
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Like I have said, I know why he is saying it, but it is still illegal, is it not??? If the DWR as a whole thought that CPR was such a great idea, then why did they not put a mandatory catch and kill on stripers??? Has Wayne pushed for this???

I'm sorry, but in this case, I would second guess anyone that encouraged breaking the law. I know it would be a good thing for the fishery, but I'm just not seeing the gray area here. The guide says not to waste game fish.

I guess I am in the minority. I would hate to see someone get a ticket because of this advice.

I'm really not trying to stir the pot here. I'm not like that. I just really would like to get the DWR's stance on this.

I apologize for my ignorance regarding Wayne's position. I guess I could have read a little closer.

TubeDude, when we goin' fishin'??? [Smile] Stupid weather! [mad]
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[cool][#0000ff]You are being anal about it. Do what you want.

There is no way Wayne could get a DWR edict on that subject. It takes two years to get anything on the proclamation. The problem just developed this year and may be better by next year. The shad/striper ratios go up and down all the time. He is making a recommendation, not a law.

Too bad we couldn't get the same kind of consideration at Yuba for the perch.
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It's too bad that it takes 2 years for something to "get on the books." [Sad] I now the DWR isn't perfect, but they should look at over hauling their process when it comes to such recommendations as Powell or Yuba.

Anyway, I am not a Powell fisherman, so I guess it doesn't matter to me much.

Thanks for the info Pat. Always good to learn as much info as possible about a subject. [cool]
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[cool][#0000ff]It is always good to have open discussion on controversial issues. The good thing about our forum is that we seldom get too carried away or launch nasty personal attacks that drive members away.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]What some folks here may not realize, in reading our exchanges is that we are friends and fishing buddies. It is probably important that they know we were just pulling each others chain and that there was no hostility involved.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]I agree with you that there really should be a more proactive approach to fisheries management on some waters. In a state that is subject to the whims of Mama Nature, and has up and down cycles, we need to be able to take advantage of good fishing opportunities while they are available, and to put the brakes on others that are in a down cycle. Two years can be an eternity on some waters.[/#0000ff]
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[#0000ff]Let's go find one of the overpopulated waters and do our part to restore a good balance by harvesting a few fish.[/#0000ff]
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Sounds good to me!

I think those darn kitties and wipers are just putting to much pressure on the shad... time to call in the cavalry. [Tongue]
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I did not intend to play an nasty trick, by dropping a bomb (controversial post) and running. I have been away from the computer with 5 soccer games saturday and family yesterday.

The stripers are an ocean fish that are overly ficundant in lake powell. I appreciate what Wayne is trying to do. Unlike much of the bureacracies he uses an open forum and fisherman to manage his fishery LAKE POWELL. If you spend any time with him or on his site you would understand and appreciate his realistic, up front approach:

Let me share an example! There was a change in the Statewide Walleye management plan that affected Lake Powell this slipped by Wayne, we asked about it and this is his response (I added red highlights for emphasis):
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You can keep 10 walleye but only one of those can be over 24 inches.
Lets get realistic! I have only caught a limit of walleye once in my life and that was in the early 80's when the limit was 6 - I think.
Walleye over 24 inches are not common. There was one day in December when we put 4 over the size limit in the boat between 3 anglers. What a glorious day that was!
There is no need for any limit on walleye in Lake Powell. They are self regulating. You just dont often catch more than that. That's why we have had the most generous walleye limit in the state for many years. Now the rest of the state is coming around to our way of thinking.
Anyway that's the history and there may be a need for walleye protection in some waters. [#ff0000]I will let the individual managers make that call. But for us, we are not willing to Saddle ourselves with a regulation that is not needed and contrary to our overall goals.[/#ff0000]
I can't change it this year but it will not be there next year.
For now we go back to my letter versus spirit of the law speech. There is no INTENT to inhibit harvest of any size walleye in Lake Powell. I encourage you to keep the efficient walleye predators that you catch and fillet them. Just leave a patch a skin on the fillet to allow species identification. [#ff0000]If a bright young letter of the law CO gives you a citation for that I will give you a letter for the judge that our intent is to encourage harvest of all walleye. It will carry the day.[/#ff0000]
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If you get cited for CPR ( which you won't all the CO's @ Powell follow Wayne's directive) he will write a letter and have the ticket waived.

The intent of my post was not to stir the pot but to educate, those fishing Lake Powell as to the directive of the DWR fisheries bioligist Wayne Gustaveson.

In order to keep the stiper populatoin under check and to prevent utter depletion of the shad population (which would severly set back all fish species in Lake Powell) Wayne Gustaveson (DWR bioligist for Lake Powell) is asking that we keep all stripers, a limit of SMB 12-14 inches, a limit of Walleye and return all LMB, Crappie and large 14+ SMB to the water.

If the stripers are too skinny to keep for table fare, rather than releasing them and letting them starve to death which will inevitably happen, be humane . . . do your part and practice CPR until Wayne changes the directive!

Education is critical! If you are going to fish Lake Powell spend some time on [url "http://www.wayneswords.com/"]www.wayneswords.com[/url] if you are not going to fish Lake Powell either keep your yapper shut or get educated so you don't disuade from the directive!

Thanks for a great discussion[Wink]! What a great forum! I really enjoy learning from you all, and hope to give a little back myself!
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Those of us familiar with lake powell over the years know wayne is right on. I have seen on more than one occation when regulations have been changed a couple of times in one summer. It's affected by weather and drought , shad cycles, lake levels and fishing pressures. The up and down nature of lake powell would make it impossable to place and remove, publish and print laws due to the rapid changes. Therefore what wayne says(dwr officer in charge there) is the law. I'm sure if the dwr called for an emergency mature bull elk hunt due to a rough winter (and it has happened) all of you would refuse to participate, After all it would'nt be in the proclomation , right? The point is , the dwr (wayne) is asking you to help with a dire situation there, so if you refuse to do so , please don't post complaints next year about the poor management and conditions at lake powell, unless of coarse you include your own names in the poor management part. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I know people who have done it for years. Only the skinny, Auschwitz looking fish should be euthanized. If they've got robust shoulders, and you don't want to eat them, let them go. But if they are on their last legs, don't let them swim off to a slow death. I've always thought that you should sink them in about 30 feet of water. The oxygen level in deep water doesn't encourage decomposition, and the crawdads can make quick work of them at 30 feet. Then the smallies can eat crawdads instead of shad.

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