What will happen after the spring run off

[Warchild]

I was wondering what is going to happen to me and other fly fisherman this summer.. With this new law put in place over river and streams.
Will I be able to fish Ogden, South fork , parts of black smith, Weber and Provo..
since ill be wading it Ill be breaking the law right when I am going threw peoples back yards and fields.
I haven't read this new law but I heard that it makes anyone that is not a floating a trespasser if the river runs threw someones property line.

Looks like ill have to join the tube brigade to enjoy the rivers now if that is true.
[signature]

[sinergy]

Yep, I was just talking to some co-workers the other day about this and some are planning out of state trips. Most are hitting the usually spots in the state which is going to make crowding an issue. If you didn't like the crowds before be prepared to be rubbing shooulders with allot more people this year.

Just FYI Parts of all the rivers you mentioned run through private property can we say combat fishing LOL [crazy][crazy][crazy]
[signature]

[kochanut]

your screwed on the ogden, the weber you should be ok, say good bye to the blacks smith fork, and say hello to the 90,000 no trespassing signs on the provo that runs through robert redfords property
[signature]

[flygoddess]

And just when we thought we had heard the last of Ben Ferry!
Putting him on the TASK FORCE?! What the f&%$ are they thinking!
[signature]

[GP]

Isn't any group taking it to court.
[signature]

[flygoddess]

I think so. This ain't right and it will change in some form. It just has to.
This is sooooo unconstitutionally one sided.
[signature]

[TS30]

Part of the problem is nobody really knows what the ultimate effect of this will be. I would suggest reading the law for yourself, gaining a good understanding of it, and acting according to what you find out. Also study closely the new trespassing laws that were enacted in 2009. Basically removed the requirement to post private property to keep people out.

I can say with a fair amount of confidence that I know this law inside and out. And I wouldn't follow my advice on it if I were someone else. We just don't know the final impact it will have.

Here's my best guess. Some group will be contacting landowners on the walk-in access program for fishing and asking them to close off that access, and set them up as a steward to manage the land for a pay-to-play fee. You all have probably heard of organizations who have done this for big game hunting and really took it to the average joe big game hunter. If this bill is not overruled in the Supreme Court, I see fishing going the same way in our state. I had done good not thinking about this issue much lately, and this just totally depressed me on the status of our fisheries once again. The day our elected officials stuck their noses up at the public in Utah and sold out to the Farm Bureau, Utah Association of Realtors, and Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife will live as a day of infamy for me for the rest of my life. Sad, day....
[signature]

[sinergy]

My opinion is if were able to vote Gov Herbert out of office and vote in someone who has half a brain we may have a chance in finding some compromise. I see the issue from both sides and would hate the government telling me what I can or cant do with my property there needs to be compromise. Id like for Land Owners & Anglers\Hunters to sit down and pound out a resolution to were both parties walk away with some to gain from the deal .

But I guess drafting a comprise that would benefit all Utahahns and not just a small minority would be too much trouble for Herbert or We dont have enough $$$ to contribute to his campaign[mad][crazy] (Yep I said It [cool])
[signature]

[TS30]

The problem is the governor doesn't make laws. Even if Caroon was voted in this election, it will take the legislature amending the law first before the Governor can even have any influence on it.

Do I think that the House especially, and most likely either branch of the legislature will take on that task any time in the near future? No, I do not. Not unless the courts come in and tell them what they did was unconstitutional.

As for anglers/hunters and landowners sitting down and pounding out a compromise, that is what HB 80 was. There was multiple meetings with all involved from the beginning. The law was tweaked SIGNIFICANTLY from it's first draft was released in September based upon feedback from both sides. I was in a couple of those meetings. I saw what went on, and was given status updates by people who were in the meetings I was not in myself. HB 80 was absolutely a compromise on behalf of the anglers as we continued to give up things that the landowners asked for all the while the landowners would give nothing. Even after all the refusal to bend on their part, all except 1 provision was completely agreed to by the Farm Bureau (they wanted wet boot not ordinary high water mark), until McFiction told them he'd be drafting a separate bill (HB 141) and the landowners walked away from the table right before the legislative session started. So what I'm saying is that I see the landowners coming to the table for a "compromise" is probably even less likely than the legislature taking this up again next year.

That is....unless the court tell them that HB 141 was unconstitutional and we revert back to Conatser governing our waterways. Then they will be screaming for us to come back to the table....and at that point, I'd say it's a little too late for them to assert anything.
[signature]

[sinergy]

I was thinking along the lines of a governor who would be willing to amend the bill to allow access. Someone who can influence the house tp pass a bill thats partial to both parties. I Dont think Caroon has that kind of Influence but at this point I think anybody is better the Herbert.
[signature]