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how do you handle.......
#1
Friends or associates that send friends or family your way for fishing info on places to go and what's hot when the people aren't local?


Do you send them to your secret spot with a handful of what you know will catch em fish?

Or maybe to a well known popular spot with a good game and good luck hoping they are good enough anglers to figure things out?


Let's here some members opinions here. Being a Byui student and a local I get in this situation on average 1-2 times a week.

Oh and ps......south fork 5 nights out of the last 8 and fishing is still awesome. Ramps up before dark. Bwo's are still the ticket. Saw some pink cahills coming off last night, also more emerging trout Flys each night. For the old schoolers sandy mites have fished really well also the last two nights. Across river casts with them, bottom of swing lift and let settle, been having some violent strikes right after the lift.
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#2
I have a lot of "honey holes" but I only share a few of them and I always keep a few as a secret I only share with my fishing buddies and family from out of town who don't fish much.

I'm a big believer in sharing with anyone who asks...as long as they will be respectful of the area and not trash it. The water is for everyone and fishing should be fun.

Most of the areas I consider my honey holes were shown to me by other more experienced fishermen.
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#3
As most people know I am pretty giving about fishing information, but when it comes to the casual fisherman who goes out a couple times of year and is just digging for information it depends.

If they are going with their family I try to set them up with good information on a family fishing water.

If they want to flyfish I try to send them somewhere that is stocked consistenly like warm river or birch creek.

If they want to float tube I tell them what I can about a good place.

The fact of the matter is there are certain places that you want to protect and that is ok. There are also certain places won't be hurt by more pressure.

Another fact is most people don't have the skill, patience, or commitment that many of us do. You can send them to a lake tell them what line to use, depth to fish, fly to use, what kind of strip is working, how long to pause, what time of day to fish, what bugs to look for.......and they still won't have the fish sense to do everything correctly and catch fish consistently.

What makes great fishermen great is time on the water and time studying their craft.

Helping people enjoy the sport is not a crime, but they are going to have to spend some major time on the water at some point to really learn the sport.

Windriver
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I hook BFT brothers up all the time. DO I give out all my info? No but I give info that will get them into fish. It is up to them to get some. Ron
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I'll give locations but not specifics, such as little tweaks to the presentation. I fish areas enough to know the same exact lure in a different color will not produce fish as well. I'll tell them if it is gear specific, once at strike we were hauling in crappie when no one else was, using the same thing, the difference was we were using ultralights with two pound test and their stuff was heavy, it was a quick light bite. I might sound like a dick but if your gear is obviously the problem I'll tell you to invest in a decent rod, why waste hundreds on gas and fail fishing when you can take a day of and get some good gear that will help. Once I was asked if a little red flake made a difference, and it was obvious it did in the results. There is a very specific size and color lure that is amazing at arrowrock that you would never think of for trout, I won't share that one though.
It's not that I'm concerned if they catch a fish, it's I do catch and release and I don't want the info to find it's way to someone who kills everything they catch.
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I think too much is given out on forums. It is not one person you are conversing with, it's hundreds and thousands.
PM's are different, specially if they are from out of town. Then I say go for it. They have no clue, and limited time, help is welcomed.
On bigger waters, I will say what line and what fly and even how I am fishing it, but even that I have cut back to pms only.
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#7
Ill share any info I can. For pretty much any where I go. Because just because it works for me doesnt mean it will work for the next guy.
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[quote flygoddess]I think too much is given out on forums. It is not one person you are conversing with, it's hundreds and thousands.
PM's are different, specially if they are from out of town. Then I say go for it. They have no clue, and limited time, help is welcomed.
On bigger waters, I will say what line and what fly and even how I am fishing it, but even that I have cut back to pms only.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself Miss Goddess. Way too much detail is offered up on the boards and especially this one. On the other hand, general information that applies to big waters, to help someone get started is what's it's all about.

In relation to the original question, out of towners, relatives or anyone else sent my way is not always going to be given the same answers.

1) Do they have the same level of passion that I do? Or are they just looking for the quick score.

2) Can they spend an entire day on water, not catch a fish but at the end of the day describe the experience as incredible? Or is all about the catching?

3) Are they willing to put in thier time, and enjoy the challenge of figuring it out? Or is it all about catching, at any cost and then telling the entire world how great they are?

I will show a complete stranger everything I know if I sense the answer to the first part of the above questions is yes.

And finally, posting intimate detail about location, technique used, bait or fly, time of year, GPS cooridnates, etc.....may be a product of good intentions (but not always, see above) ...........it changes the game, impacts the water we fish (negatively), attracts those who normally would not be there, and essentially created a new breed called...."internet fisherman"
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#9
I typically dont share my better areas unless I know the person or at least their fishing skill. I typically just reccomend birch creek when they want info this time of the year. Once I get to know someone I have no problem giving more detailed information. Its nice to have a place liek birch creek to toss out. that way you arent coming off as a total jerk who hogs areas (not that i think that those who dont share are, but they come off that way to most people just looking for help).

There are alot of spot burners though that look for new areas off forums and people and go fish the heck out of them and keep alot of fish. Thats why I am super skeptical about what I say and to whom.
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#10
As Flygoddess and Metalhead said, boards that allow access to anyone (like this one) can prove harmful to certain fishing spots. If the information was limited to people that signed up, instead of everyone with a computer, it is fine to be more specific. It also produces a group of people that know each other and often fish together. When you have a wide open board, and 1 person posts a spot, literally thousands can read about it and pass that information to whoever they want.

Case in point, a certain fishing spot that had fished well for years had the GPS coordinates posted on this board a few years ago. A completely good intentioned innocent act trying to provide a member here with a good spot. The following weekend there were over 30 boats on that exact spot, and one group bragged of "hauling out over 1,000 crappie that weekend. That spot was wild fire for about 2 weeks, and has not fished worth a darn since then. I know crappie move around, but that school was decimated. Of all those folks, I would guess 3 or 4 boats worth were members here. Sometimes a little information is WAY too much.

I watched a small creek that had nice sized brookies get destroyed by another well intentioned post on the internet, complete with directions, and what flies to use and what time to fish it.

All I am saying is be careful what you post, because some of the better waters in our state can't support the added pressure of 300 additional internet fishermen...
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Yep I think PM's are the best way to share detailed info among the members of the board.
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[size 3]Personally I’m pretty choosy about the information I give out. I might give out and even volunteer a lot of information about a place like Little Camas, Crain Falls, Duck Valley or Island Park Res. locations that are well stocked and have a lot of access. That is the type of place I will send 90% of the people that ask. I might be a bit more general with information on places like Magic, Henrys or Hebgen. Then unless specifically asked I won’t mention most of the "out of the way" places I enjoy. Living where we do whether the west or east side of the state there are plenty of accessable places that you can suggest to put people on fish. [/size][size 3]Depending on thier skill level and the type of fishing expeience they are looking for. I[/size][size 3]t really depends on how you feel about the person you’re giving the information to. [/size]
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[size 3]Like others have said it’s one thing to mention specific places when talking to someone one on one or in a PM, but this forum would not be the spot to post up your favorite sections of river or honey hole. You don’t broadcast a continually succesful hunting spot and this really isn’t that different. I’ve been amazed at how many people I know that do nothing more than troll this forum for useful information and are not at all intrested in being part of the conversations. Thats how I found out about this site in the firs place. [/size]
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#13
Mojo your talking about the spot at strike right [fishon] [cool]
Ron
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#14
He is and ever since that place has never been the same. Sad.
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I don't think that was the only reason. There were other guys that took up to 1800 fish at that same time. Game hogs ran wild for a couple of years. I don't think the releasing of the GPS points were the only reason. That spot could be found on about any map. The real problem is the lack of reasonable harvest limits. Ron
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[quote Metalheadgene]He is and ever since that place has never been the same. Sad.[/quote]

Uh, you ARE aware that the fact the humps are a good crappie spot is common knowledge, and that the location is shown on a hydrographic maps of Strike that anyone can buy for about $8 at Sportsman's or Cabela's, right? I think the map even says it's a good spot. Heck, I have an app on my smartphone that shows contours of Strike and most of the major lakes and reservoirs in the US that cost me $10.

I highly doubt the GPS coordinates appearing here for like a day had much lasting effect. It was hardly a super secret exclusive spot to begin with.

Personally, I think people are WAY too uptight about this kind of thing. People want to see fishing reports posted here, it seems you can't get too specific. Anyone remember the time someone posted a fishing report, then someone else jumped all over him because "Boo hoo! You just ruined my favorite secret spot!" Jesus Christ, get a grip. It's just fishing.

As for the original question, if they're not local they're unlikely to have a large effect on the fishing. If I liked the person, I'd give them as much information as possible so they have a good time. If I don't know them well, I'll give them some general pointers and locations.
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#17
Stacy, you and I will have to agree to disagree on the impact a post on THIS board has on fishing spots.

There is no way of knowing how many people view this thread, let alone any other thread on this board. You do not have to be a logged in member of this internet forum to read the information posted here. The ability to single out a specific set of GPS coordinates or directions to a small creek with double digit annual spawning success, and pass that to literally thousands of internet visitors makes this a potentially dangerous site. "It is just fishing..." until you provide the information that destroys a wild trout fishery or wipe out a small trophy bass pond. It has happened, and unless people are careful about what they post on an open forum it will happen again.

There is something to be said for experiementing and figuring out a fishery. Once you crack the code on a body of water, you own it. If you get all the information you need to go load a cooler with fish by reading an internet forum (location, bait or lure, presentation, time of day, how to hold your Tongue, all the details) you really haven't figured anything out. Why not just go buy your fish at Albertson's. It is almost as challenging. A good fisherperson embraces the challenge.

All that being said, passing good - general information about how to catch fish is great. Forums like this one should be used to teach, share information, and establish friendships that hopefully lead to fun times while fishing.
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Oh My well said Mojo. To not think the net has this kind of power is just wrong. I have seen many waters succumb to massive traffic from one innocent post. I also see new members pop up all the time which should tell you, there are THOUSANDS just reading and not members

Someone just posted on the Utah forum, "Just got an email from a friend, reads 30" brown caught at Vivian" Anyone want to cruise to Vivian and see the parking lot now? And OTG what did this post bring to the table????? Nothing in my book, but mass hysteria and this happens all the time, and wonderful bragging rights.

Henry's lake is also public but it has change dramatically over the past 8 years from forums, believe it!

How many post you read that someone replies, I didn't even know that lake was there, or I had no idea they had that kind of fish in there? I bet there are at least 10 post that subject comes up.
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Unless it's a private body of water on private property, no one owns it. I do not have a problem with people keeping their favorite spots or techniques to themselves. What I have a problem with is people jumping all over other people because the person happened to share information they thought they owned.

If someone happens upon the same secret spot or technique or whatever, it's their information to share with whoever and in whatever manner they see fit, including here if they want. I'd hate to see this board get to the point where people are afraid to give fishing reports just because they might inadvertently drop information someone else considers 'theirs.'

As far as fishing being like going to the grocery store, I think there's too many variables in fishing to guarantee anyone success no matter how much information they get. Ever gone fishing for consecutive days and caught the heck out of them one day only to find the next day the fish refused everything they jumped all over the day before? I know I have.
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[quote StacyR]Unless it's a private body of water on private property, no one owns it. I do not have a problem with people keeping their favorite spots or techniques to themselves. What I have a problem with is people jumping all over other people because the person happened to share information they thought they owned.

If someone happens upon the same secret spot or technique or whatever, it's their information to share with whoever and in whatever manner they see fit, including here if they want. I'd hate to see this board get to the point where people are afraid to give fishing reports just because they might inadvertently drop information someone else considers 'theirs.'

As far as fishing being like going to the grocery store, I think there's too many variables in fishing to guarantee anyone success no matter how much information they get. Ever gone fishing for consecutive days and caught the heck out of them one day only to find the next day the fish refused everything they jumped all over the day before? I know I have.[/quote]


It is so not about "owning" public water but discretion. Your first paragraph I agree with however. What is done is done, and "jumping all over" as you say can actually create more attention. P.M. (private messages) however are a wonderful, make everyone happy feature.
And as far as the term "own", well actually, everyone owns it, so a voice asking for discretion is acceptable.

What is your idea of a great fishing report? Maybe that will help understand where and what you want.

There are two lakes I know of I fish in Idaho that are public, on the maps, in the fishing proc, all the above, BUT, not exploited. One however, is mention more frequently on this forum over the past 3 years and it had definitely made an impact. These are also public and I read so many times someone saying"I didn't even know that lake existed".

Again, what does one expect by giving a fishing report. Is it look at what I caught so come on everyone, you can too?
I will ask how a particular water is doing, but mostly in pms. I have also MADE pm's to persons mentioning two bodies of water that in my opinion, cannot handle the pressure, to please think twice about their actions.
Why? Because I do own the water with every penny I spend as does everyone. What gives a few the right to exploit/ruin?
This forum has a lot of good stuff, but it has ruined some small waters
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