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Mill Creek POISONING & stream restoration
#1
I saw this on the TU facebook page this morning and it's the first I've heard of it.

Plans are to treat the stream over the next couple of years with rotenone and reintroduce native Bonneville cutts.

Read the details here:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/564832...t.html.csp

In addition to changing the fish population, they are going to be changing the entire stream - removing the pond by Porter's Fork and some other culverts. Details of THIS phase of the plan can be seen here:
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/uwcnf/land...rdb5417639

The DNR has more info on the fish treatment on their website here:
http://wildlife.utah.gov/dwr/millcreek-restoration.html

I don't know how I feel about this. I fished this creek since I was a youngin'. I'm all for the stream restoration and removal of the sediment-filled pond, but I honestly like being able to catch a variety of fish species here. Mill Creek has a VARIETY of trout - browns, cutts, bows, and the occasional cutt-bow. There were even rare days where you might get a grand-slam and catch all 4.

What are your thoughts on this?

I wonder if fish harvest regulations will be changed when it's only native cutts there. I don't keep fish often, but a smaller brown every now and then from Millcreek was always a nice option. Just kind of disappointing to see the change, I guess.
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#2
I'm all for conservation and restoration but I was kinda bummed to hear about this. There are some really nice browns and plenty of cutts in there right now if you know where to look. It's the closest fly fishing fix for me, and I'm Sad that it will be all jacked up for a few years. It seems like there would be better options for restoration, especially considering there is a healthy population of cutts in there as it is.
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#3
Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

There's a community meeting at Skyline High sometime this week or next week about this project. I suspect it's a little too late to voice objections, but they might have some more information.
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#4
Really? I am so pissed off I cannot even see straight! Why ruin such a great place over the dam cutts! The place is just fine the way it is. I have become a local of that place for over 2 years now and it is one of my most favorite streams in all of Utah. To see it change for years ahead is a nightmare of mine.

So the real question is how do we go about this to stop the poisoning? Who do we talk to to stop this!

Will collecting signatures help?

I will be contacting the DNR tomorrow via email and will probably stop by in person within the week.
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#5
[quote downed_Phly]Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.

There's a community meeting at Skyline High sometime this week or next week about this project. I suspect it's a little too late to voice objections, but they might have some more information.[/quote]

I sure hope it is not too late!

Pm me the info on when to attend. I will be there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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June 27, Skyline High School cafeteria, 6:30–8:30 p.m.
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[quote TyeDyeTwins]So the real question is how do we go about this to stop the poisoning? Who do we talk to to stop this! [/quote]

I don't think that there will be anything that will stop the invasion of another endangered species from a good fishing spot.

Those people don't care about what the locals want. They know better than you do what is best for the creek. [crazy]
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#8
I swear people and the gov is way to obsessed w/ cut's.
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#9
Ugh it disgusts me beyond belief!

This thread should be re-named to "Mill Creek Poisoning!"

I plan on attending the meeting.
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#10
[quote TyeDyeTwins]

This thread should be re-named to "Mill Creek Poisoning!"

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Done![Wink]
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#11
just be glad they are not replanting with "june suckers"..maybe one was there 500 years ago..
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#12
[quote coues52]just be glad they are not replanting with "june suckers"..maybe one was there 500 years ago..[/quote]

I had the same thought last night.

Dont we have enough bonnie cutts in Utah already? As I stated before why screw over a great fishery? Will the bonnie spawn be protected? Will it be like the other bonnie fisheries where you cannot fish it till the 2nd saturday of July?
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#13
I really just don't understand the point of the project. And I wonder how much it will cost. And what other good could be done with that money. If the project is designed to protect Bonnies, why not restore one of the dozens of other brown-infested creeks in the wasatch instead of the most accessible stream fishery for most of the salt lake valley?
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#14
There will still be plenty of places to catch browns and rainbows. Its kind of a bummer to have a stream out of commission for a while, but in the long run its more important to restore and protect our native species. Trust the biologists who know whats best for the environment.
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Yes.....trust them.....heeheeeheeee.
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#16
This may be dumb question but if the biologist won't back down why don't they change the regs to allow for more fish to be kept so they are not just wasted. I know this is a mute point. It still sucks that they are doing this. I remember having awesome days fishing the river after working at the cub scout camps. If any of you guys go maybe you can present that idea.
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#17
[quote unicornslayer]Trust the biologists who know whats best for the environment.[/quote]

OR...research the issues yourself and form an educated opinion rather than simply going with the flow. [:/]

The DNR DOES make an effort (albeit not enough, IMHO) to find out the public's opinion, but this one snuck up on me. Wish they would've had signs up the canyon announcing the plan.

Anyway, public opinion plays a BIG role in DNR decisions, which is one of the reasons I can't just"trust" the biologists.

Stream restoration yes!
Rotenone no!
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[quote unicornslayer]There will still be plenty of places to catch browns and rainbows. Its kind of a bummer to have a stream out of commission for a while, but in the long run its more important to restore and protect our native species. Trust the biologists who know whats best for the environment.[/quote]

Obviously you have not fished Millcreek River. It is by far 100 times better than the other streams around here. I cannot think of a place where I have never been skunked when it comes to a local river.

Protect the native species? Since when are browns and rainbows considered invasive like a carp or white bass?

It is rediculas to squander our money for a fish that thrives elsewhere. The rainbows and browns are not hurting the enviornment so this is not what's best for the river. The biologists just have a slanted point of view on the bonnie cutts in this case.

Sorry but I think you drank the koolaide right off the bat!
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#19
I can't think of a stream in the SLC area where I HAVE been skunked. You're arguments are definitely valid, I'm just a conservationist type angler, so I think preservation of natives should be priority number one. By all means keep the browns and bows in the rivers like the weber Provo etc but I think it's fine to try to restore the tributaries and headwater streams to how they originally were.
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[quote downed_Phly]

What are your thoughts on this?

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I'm all for it. It's something that should have been done a long time ago. I hope it's not the last for the Wasatch Front either.
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