dwr kills gunlock???

[zman2]

what is wrong with the dwr you want to klll everything why cant you MANAGE a body of water...seems kinda simple to me gunloclk..readfleet res com on enough is enough im sick of this crap who manage nothing and don't know how to..that's my view cant kick me off for that,,,
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[GEEZER]

Don't wanna kick you off the board but do question your sanity.
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[bankblob]

If people would drive the extra 15 minutes to get to the lake that has the species they want, instead they play bucket biologist, and end up destroying the balance between predator and prey in the hole system.
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[Therapist]

Zman2, you have not been paying attention. The reason they are killing Gunlock is because some idiot put SMB in there. Gunlock feeds into the Virgin river, which holds a couple of ENDANGERED species. Crappie and LMB do not do that well in a moving stream like the Virgin, but SMB LOVE IT. They would eventually escape from Gunlock and put the endangered minnows at risk, hence the killing of Gunlock. They are not doing it because they can't manage it, they are doing it because the ESA and the FEDS are requiring it. They will be able to restock it with LMB and Crappie. So don't jump on DWR, find the numbskull that put the SMB in there and ream him/her a new one. More money wasted on bucket bio screwups !!

[doggonefishin]

Why is it that all of these anti DWR rants sound and are punctuated the same, even when they are from different guys?

Therapist nailed it on why the DWR is doing it. The real question ought to be "when are these dipwads going to learn that their stupid bucket biology is not going to be tolerated or productive?"
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[utahduckhunter]

I think the dwr should not kill gunlock the bass fishery was just getting good with the large mouth and the small mouth we could have one of the best smallmouth bass fishery in the state and as far the fish getting in the virgin I highly doubt they well swim that far when have time the river below gunlock is dry most of they year . it so dwr does want to loose there grant money from the fed to maintain the endangered minnows. so fed control the dwr in Washington county and tell them what kind of fish to stock in our lake here what shame
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[Saltslam]

First off I would just like to say to the DWR thanks for all you do to maintain the fisheries in Utah. The past decade or so has been the greatest fishing I can recall in my life. The diversity of fish is fantastic and within an hour drive from my home I have an opportunity to catch somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 different species of fish. It shouldn't be a thankless job but far too often is. People need to understand the reasoning behind the decisions before casting dispersions. Biology, science, red tape with government institutions, availability of fish to plant and bone head bucket biologists to name just a few. Keep up the good work.

As far as Gunlock is concerned, lets think back to the floods a few years back when Gunlock overflowed the dam. Those smallies wouldn't have had to swim at all, the could have ridden a wave to the Virgin River. There are also two very high quality bass fisheries in Sand Hollow and Quail Creek 45 minutes from Gunlock. Smallmouth, they are 45 minutes away a little further North in Enterprise and Newcastle. Look for the positives and maybe do a little reading before you complain too much about the Division. Most of the men and women there are sportsmen just like you and want the best for all of us as far as opportunity and quality.
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[wormandbobber]

[quote zman2]what is wrong with the dwr you want to klll everything why cant you MANAGE a body of water..,[/quote]

Why? Because someone........illegally chose to do it for them! But, the reality is that poisoning Gunlock is "managing" it....and "managing" it the way it should be managed!

Funny, though, I guess this is a case where your ignorance isn't bliss...!
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[Therapist]

My thanks to Albinotrout for keeping me kosher!! It really is all about letting the pro's handle the job. If you want to give input, great, I believe that they listen and appreciate it, but when it comes time to act, they are going to do it based on the best information and science available. They walk a very fine line when it comes to managing Endangered Species. DWR has to manage both sides of the fence, the Utah sportsman and the feds. Unless you have dealt with a Federal Agency, you have no idea of how rigid they can be. It can almost be impossible. Again, the thing that chaps me the most about this is the money that DWR will spend to treat and then restock. That money comes out of my pocket and yours !!! Would rather it went for a different project and correcting the mis guided idiot's ( albino's term not mine ) attempt to stock Gunlock !!

[smittyts]

Wow. All this negative energy and stress is weighing me down. . . I need to go fishing. We should all just go fishing.
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[fsh4fun05]

I understand about Gunlock, I was there a couple weeks ago and the fishing was great. It's too bad, it really was turning into a great fishery again.
Anywho, Quail had lots of decent smallies spawning when I was there. It scares me that the powers that be would be forced to 'manage' Quail also.
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[ifishutah]

A few years ago, I was on the committee to help manage Gunlock. It really is out of there hands as far as management is concerned.

The only warm water approved species for the Virgin River basin are largemouth, crappie and bluegill. I'm not even sure they can plant catfish in there. There used to be some HUGE catfish in Gunlock.

It's been a while since I was involved, but I do believe that the Washington County water co. has the ability to shut the lake completely down. I hope they don't go that far, but it's almost there already. The reason the lake is closed during the winter is because it has been mandated by that group.

Point of all this is, hopefully we can get access to the lake back and not have access completely removed.

Like it or not govt. has a nasty habit of doing what they deem correct.
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[wormandbobber]

[quote ifishutah] but I do believe that the Washington County water co. has the ability to shut the lake completely down. I hope they don't go that far, but it's almost there already. The reason the lake is closed during the winter is because it has been mandated by that group.

Point of all this is, hopefully we can get access to the lake back and not have access completely removed.

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I have seen a lot of people in Utah on the "take-back-our-lands bandwagon and looking to have public lands managed by the BLM or NFS given back to the state to manage....THIS ^^^^^ is why we don't want this!

Gunlock was once a state park managed by the state....but since the state couldn't afford to manage it, it was transferred over to more local control. Now, as is, the public is only allowed on the water during certain times of the year and are totally locked out others. THIS is what can happen if we lose our public lands and the state gets management....chances are they won't have the money or resources to manage these public lands (like Gunlock) and they will look to sell or prosper off those lands without the public in their thoughts as well and we, the public, will ultimately get kicked the heck out!
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[Saltslam]

[quote fsh4fun05] Anywho, Quail had lots of decent smallies spawning when I was there. It scares me that the powers that be would be forced to 'manage' Quail also.[/quote]
I hadn't heard of Smallies in Quail. If this is true I'll bet the same thing will happen there.

With the treatment of Gunlock, I'd like to know what the biggest bass looks like. I imagine it will be a pig!
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[fsh4fun05]

They planted, I think, four years ago? So the bass in there are just getting to the point where they are healthy. My biggest was maybe pushing 3 pounds but I saw a solid 5 pounder that I'm pretty sure flipped me off.
The crappie were in full spawn and very healthy. Only caught 3 smallies in Gunlock.
There are lots of smallies Quail, very good ones too.
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[ifishutah]

Catch and kill ALL smallmouth at Quail.
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[PBH]

This thread is a crack-up!

Gunlock is going to be poisoned -- so obviously the DWR "is mis-managing" it.

Quail Creek (and Sand Hollow) are fantastic fisheries -- and thus, obviously, the DWR "is not managing it".

So, with good fisheries, the DWR isn't doing anything to help them, and with bad fisheries the DWR is screwing them up.

Do i have this right?



pretty ironic, if you ask me.








Here's an idea: Let's give anglers 100% control of the managment of 1 or 2 fisheries in Utah. Give them 5 years to manage it. Let's see where those fisheries are after a meager 5 years.



You guys that keep saying how great the fish in Gunlock are: think 5 years down the road and imagine, once again, how good the fishing is going to be. Don't be so short sighted. Poison it. Restock it. Watch how fast those trophy large mouth come back.
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[Trout_lover]

I think the SMB would make good cat food. Maybe I'll get out there early next week and catch some. Are the SMB contaminated with mercury? I know there is a warning on LMB but on SMB I'm not sure.
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[scartinez]

We put the hurting on like 25 smallies last fall at Quail. i can't believe someone would want to change that fishery. It's puts out the best largemouth bass on a consistent basis. Why would anyone want to add smallies?
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[one8sevenn]

Probably.

Any Predatory fish in mercury waters will contain mercury. The bigger the fish, the more mercury.
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