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Once again your fishing dollars were used against you in a bid to restrict where you can fish in Utah.
Again, even after having the courts rule against the DWR as a defendant in the access to state waters lawsuit the DWR went against the fishers of Utah and argued for a stay of the judges ruling that negated the un-constitutional law passed by legislators restricting access to Utah's publicly owned waters.
Once again your license dollars were used against you by the DWR.
Once again the DWR sided with big money interests that provide a fraction of their income.
Once again the DWR sought to use your license dollars to maintain rivers and streams that you would not be able to fish in if they had their way.
http://www.sltrib.com/home/3267112-155/j...ut-on-hold
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Who does the DWR think they work for anyway? My suggestion is to get in touch with your House and Senate reps and voice your displeasure over the wanton disregard of the PUBLIC interest in this case. Here is a list of the Natural Resources Committee Members.
Sen. Scott K. Jenkins ®, Chair
Rep. Lee B. Perry ®, Chair
Sen. Allen M. Christensen ®
Sen. Margaret Dayton ®
Sen. Jani Iwamoto (D)
Sen. Peter C. Knudson ®
Sen. Evan J. Vickers ®
Rep. Melvin R. Brown ®
Rep. Scott H. Chew ®
Rep. Jack R. Draxler ®
Rep. Susan Duckworth (D)
Rep. Stephen G. Handy ®
Rep. Lynn N. Hemingway (D)
Rep. Mike K. McKell ®
Rep. Michael E. Noel ®
Rep. Kraig Powell ®
Rep. Douglas V. Sagers ®
Rep. Mike Schultz ®
J Brian Allred, Policy Analyst
RuthAnne Frost, Associate General Counsel
Katie LeFevre, Legislative Assistant
They are ultimately accountable and if not vote the bums out of office. If enough people contact these reps and senators it will have an effect. It takes numbers but I think there are enough concerned members on this site and the other BFT sites that they will notice.
Take action or take whats left!
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Thanks for the post. I just wrote to my State Rep. concerning this issue.
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What are you talking about?
What money from the DWR was spent on trying to stop anglers from access to streams?
I do know that the State and Governor are fighting the courts ruling but I have not seen anything official that DWR money has been used.
Please give us proof of this claim. We need to know for sure before I will believe it.
The DWR is a State agency and therefor must follow direction from the government.
They have to do what they are told to do.
I don't see them as against sportsmen. That would not make any sense.
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Where in that article does it state the DWR was involved at all?
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Herbert is the boss. He is owned by the realestate lobby. Herbert values the Real Estate and Farm Bureau campaign money over sportsman's votes. It is as simple as that. DWR has nothing to do with it.
From Wikipedia
Born in American Fork, Utah, Herbert served for two years as an LDS missionary in the eastern United States following his graduation from high school, then attended Brigham Young University and joined the Utah Army National Guard. After serving in the National Guard, Herbert began a career in real estate and opened his own firm. Herbert won a seat on the Utah County Commission in 1990, where he served 14 years. Herbert also served as presidents of the Utah Association of Counties and Utah Association of Realtors.
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The DWR employees are not the problem, the problem lies with those appointed to lead the DWR. The employees are the good guys in this.
You should read what DWR employees testifies to in the court case.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vxuqcu8vrrprff...t.pdf?dl=0
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Did you look at the DWR website map showing where anglers could access waters of the state in the past few years?
The court ordered them to take it down.
Yes, they do what they are told to do, by the legislators and their appointed leadership. That's the problem.
Kent, the article did not state it. Do you think the news gives the public all of the facts all of the time?
The state concerns when it comes to wildlife is the DWR, ergo, when ever there is a wildlife issue in the state, it is the DWR that conducts the states business in that matter.
Did you think it would be the DOT that would be representing the state in matters pertaining to fishing? Of course you didn't. The issue was fishing access, the states attorney generals office provided the lawyers, but whom do you think they were representing, the people or the DWR?
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Who do you think appoints the director of the DWR?
Do you think that the governor appoints the director of the DWR?, that would be correct.
The director was appointed by Herbert. You know, the guy who your post says is owned by the real estate lobby and values the Farm Bureau campaign money over the sportsman's votes.
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While I agree that Gov. Herbert seems to be biased toward the private interest in this case and it is true the state will use state funds to fight their case, I am still not convinced that it will be money from the DWR. I would have to see hard figures stating that before I was convinced. I believe the money will come from the states legal fund. If I am wrong I would be happy to admit it. I believe it is a shame that the state continues this fight but I dont believe they are doing it with the DWR budget. Just my opinion.
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Hey, Exaggerate MUCH![crazy] DWR DOLLARS? REALLY????? Credibility doesn't hang around you much does it!
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Does it really matter where the money is coming from? The point is that the state is spending OUR money to fight for the interests of a few over the interests of the many. Do we live in a democracy or an oligarchy?
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Kent, the article did not state it. Do you think the news gives the public all of the facts all of the time?
The state concerns when it comes to wildlife is the DWR, ergo, when ever there is a wildlife issue in the state, it is the DWR that conducts the states business in that matter.
Did you think it would be the DOT that would be representing the state in matters pertaining to fishing? Of course you didn't. The issue was fishing access, the states attorney generals office provided the lawyers, but whom do you think they were representing, the people or the DWR?
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If one heads a post "State and DWR against Anglers" and references an article to support one's claim, I would think that I should be able to conclude that the article would support the conclusion that one is making. Apparently, that isn't the case.
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It seems like everyone is attacking someone for his claim that dwr money was spent. That's just semantics at this point, as far as I'm concerned when state dollars of any sort are being used to fight this its a problem. We pay taxes and vote for our representatives. We need to ensure those that want hat we want are in office. Herbert is a douche and caters to his wealthy elite. The courts have spoken and yet he wants to fight it, because his buddies and family own property on rivers that belong to THEM. FYI if your senator is Rep Dayton, make sure to address her as Senetor when writing her. I wrote her once and addressed her as Ms. ( based on the fact I didn't want to assume marital status) and was replied to by an intern stating if I were to write the Senetor to address her as such. These people are so pompous it drives me insane and yet we continue to vote them into office..... I digress. To the OP thanks for brining this to OUR attention now if everyone would quit worrying about state vs dwr dollars being spent and take action we might get somewhere.
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[quote fishday]Who does the DWR think they work for anyway? My suggestion is to get in touch with your House and Senate reps and voice your displeasure over the wanton disregard of the PUBLIC interest in this case. Here is a list of the Natural Resources Committee Members.
Sen. Scott K. Jenkins ®, Chair
Rep. Lee B. Perry ®, Chair
Sen. Allen M. Christensen ®
Sen. Margaret Dayton ®
Sen. Jani Iwamoto (D)
Sen. Peter C. Knudson ®
Sen. Evan J. Vickers ®
Rep. Melvin R. Brown ®
Rep. Scott H. Chew ®
Rep. Jack R. Draxler ®
Rep. Susan Duckworth (D)
Rep. Stephen G. Handy ®
Rep. Lynn N. Hemingway (D)
Rep. Mike K. McKell ®
Rep. Michael E. Noel ®
Rep. Kraig Powell ®
Rep. Douglas V. Sagers ®
Rep. Mike Schultz ®
J Brian Allred, Policy Analyst
RuthAnne Frost, Associate General Counsel
Katie LeFevre, Legislative Assistant
They are ultimately accountable and if not vote the bums out of office. If enough people contact these reps and senators it will have an effect. It takes numbers but I think there are enough concerned members on this site and the other BFT sites that they will notice.
Take action or take whats left![/quote]
Funny stuff.
The population of Utah, year after year continues to screw themselves over. A huge percentage go to the voting booth and click a party vote. It's gone on for so long that our voted in folks are now starting to make rulings and laws behind closed doors since there is no balance whatsoever to say they cant. There's no balance in anything and they do what they want period.
They represent big business, not the public.
The problem is, there's no end in sight.
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Nice, I missed your original post before the moderator felt it needed to be edited. So why don't you send it to me in A PM and we can discuss it further.
Just so everyone knows, Bovineowner has claimed to be a land owner that has been directly affected by this ruling.
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Point accepted, Kent.
Your point, however, does not make the headline nor the actual court case any less accurate, only the news article.
I suggest that everyone read the entire ruling that has been filed in this case. It contains a lot of information concerning how it has been and how it will be going into the future.
https://www.dropbox.com/...%20Judgment.pdf?dl=0
I provided a link for anyone that is interested or you can go the the Utah Stream Access Coalition website for the information on all of the court cases they have brought against the state and landowners this year, on your behalf and without using your tax dollars.
Let me say that part again, these court cases were fought on your behalf without using your tax dollars.
If you can see clear to make a donation, the cost of a lure, box of worms, or couple of gallons of gas to them to show your appreciation, that would be nice.
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wow Troll. just.....wow.
I think your intentions are good, but your means are bad. Blasting the DWR for something out of their control is a bad way to attempt to gain support.
I hope others don't take things poorly and decide that your views represent USAC as a whole. That wouldn't be good.
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Thank you for your contribution and statement of your feelings to my thread.
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