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So as im sure most of you know, WY has made it legal to use corn for fishing again,
obviously its still NOT legal in UT, not here to start a debate on the use of corn, but more on the Transportation of it,
if a boater was to launch in lucerne,(or anywhere in utah) and was going to fish the WY side, but was stopped by UTAH Dnr & found to be in possession of corn (not using it but say was in the tackle tray) could the boater end up in a legal battle?
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Put it in your cooler, or food box on the boat. Food, not bait. If it ain't on your hook, you weren't fishing with it.
Besides, when has anyone ever been checked on Flaming Gorge in Utah? Over 4,000 launches for me, and I can say, ZERO! Maybe on the bank, on a nice 75 degree sunny day, but not in a boat.
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Quote:R657-13-12. Bait.
(1) Use or [size 4]possession[/size] of corn, hominy, or live baitfish while fishing is unlawful.
Sorry. That includes your food box.
Are you gonna get checked? What are the odds? If you're traveling through the Utah portion but you're not fishing, you might have a leg to stand on.
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This will create a real dilemma up there !! Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure why you would want to use corn anyway, unless you are going after some of those monster carp up there !!!
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[quote Tarponjim]Put it in your cooler, or food box on the boat. Food, not bait. If it ain't on your hook, you weren't fishing with it.
Besides, when has anyone ever been checked on Flaming Gorge in Utah? Over 4,000 launches for me, and I can say, ZERO! Maybe on the bank, on a nice 75 degree sunny day, but not in a boat.[/quote]
[#ff0000]Ive been stopped a few times on the water, but just has been the usual "safety check" deal where they check reg/insurance, life jackets, fire ext & ect... [/#ff0000]
[quote Fishrmn] Quote:R657-13-12. Bait.
(1) Use or [size 4]possession[/size] of corn, hominy, or live baitfish while fishing is unlawful.
Sorry. That includes your food box.
Are you gonna get checked? What are the odds? If you're traveling through the Utah portion but you're not fishing, you might have a leg to stand on.
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[#800000]That's kinda what I figured, wasn't sure what the legal ruling was on having it, Ill have to ask on of the guys up there this season and see what they have for an answer.[/#800000]
[quote Therapist]This will create a real dilemma up there !! Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure why you would want to use corn anyway, unless you are going after some of those monster carp up there !!![/quote]
[#bf0000]Ive never tried it before, usually have good luck with maggots but keep hearing that its producing the bigger fish over on the WY side so I wanted to try it & see for myself, but don't want to end up in a mess over it lol [/#bf0000]
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Agreed.. 15 years of fishing O times checked on the Utah and side.
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[quote Therapist]This will create a real dilemma up there !! Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure why you would want to use corn anyway, unless you are going after some of those monster carp up there !!![/quote] white shoepeg corn is an awesome bati to tip your squids etc with when trolling for kokes,
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Unless they change the law in Utah, that "Illegal to Possess" seems pretty clear to me. In your RV or campsite might be fine. In your boat? Nope.
And I will also decline to discuss the merits of the law. Just observing that what is, is.
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[quote bobco][quote Therapist]This will create a real dilemma up there !! Will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure why you would want to use corn anyway, unless you are going after some of those monster carp up there !!![/quote] white shoepeg corn is an awesome bati to tip your squids etc with when trolling for kokes,[/quote]
[#bf0000]That's what I keep hearing, Will it be more effective then maggots? only one way to find out.[/#bf0000]
[quote RockyRaab]Unless they change the law in Utah, that "Illegal to Possess" seems pretty clear to me. In your RV or campsite might be fine. In your boat? Nope.
And I will also decline to discuss the merits of the law. Just observing that what is, is.[/quote]
yeah that's what I was thinking, wasn't sure if there was a exception now for split state lakes, so figured maybe the guys Of BFT would know more then the average Joe.
Isnt there a DNR officer that frequents the forum?
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If you are using canned corn, perhaps the best defense might be not possessing an open can while on the Utah side?
It wouldn't circumvent the possession rule, but it is difficult to argue that you are using it for bait if it is sealed. An empty can in the garbage bag means you no longer possess the contents.
It might just boil down to the CO making a judgement call on how to interpret possession.
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possession; the state of having, owning, or controlling something.
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[#0000FF]I have fished in several states where corn was both legal and effective as bait. Never heard tell of or witnessed any detrimental effects on any species of fish.
But in Utah, the mere mention of CORN among any DWR folks is akin to shouting EBOLA. Same reaction. I gave up after several attempts at RAC meetings to at least legalize the use of corn for carp fishing in non-trout waters such as Utah Lake and Willard Bay. Never got more than a chortle and guffaw from the DWR folks...and could never even get it put out for discussion.
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[quote Fishrmn] Quote:R657-13-12. Bait.
(1) Use or [size 4]possession[/size] of corn, hominy, or live baitfish while fishing is unlawful.
Sorry. That includes your food box.
Are you gonna get checked? What are the odds? If you're traveling through the Utah portion but you're not fishing, you might have a leg to stand on.
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[quote Fishrmn]possession; the state of having, owning, or controlling something.
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seams almost as if it could come come down to how you define and interrupt it, the law says (from your quote) Quote:R657-13-12. Bait.
(1) Use or [size 4]possession[/size] of corn, hominy, or live baitfish while fishing is unlawful.
so if your BOATING you can posses it,
but once youre FISHING in utah you cant have it within your possesion
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Wishful thinking. If you have both corn and a fishing rod in your boat, you WILL be in violation. That's how any CO or judge would see it.
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All,
Just thought I would provide a little background to the corn question.
Corn was originally outlawed in the state for two specific reasons, the first was the litter issue, the other was its widespread use to chum. Whether either of those or both are legitimate concerns now is debatable, but they were the reasons originally used. The prevalent myth that corn somehow interferes with trout digestion has been discounted by research over the years.
In the regulation survey conducted earlier this year we asked several questions regarding the use of corn. A vast majority of the survey respondents indicated that they would not use corn as bait, period. For that reason we elected to not move forward with a corn allowance. However, the question continues to be brought up and we will look at it again next year.
We attempt to maintain conformity with our partner states on multi-state waters where possible but there are several exceptions. The use of corn at Flaming Gorge is one of them.
Those of you who regularly participate in the regulation survey, attend RAC meetings, etc (THANK YOU) understand that the angling public is divided into multiple groups that seek different species, use different methods, and so on. The DWR will continue to attempt to meet the needs of the various interests, but we will always look to what the majority want in questions such as whether corn should be legal. Therefore, if you are an avid proponent of the use of corn, make sure you and other like minded anglers make your wishes known through the annual survey conducted each May.
I hope this helps.
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Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
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Launching at Anvil Draw, Squaw Hollow or Buckboard is an option.
Buy your corn in Evanston or Green River, drive down to the FG and fish. Never set foot in Utah with your gear and corn at the same time, if you really want to use corn.
Problem solved.
Doesn't power bait come in corn flavored little chunks?
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[font "Calibri"]Fishing off a big boat with a full galley, head, etc. like yours I would think you should be able to have any vegetable in your position you wish. That boat is your home, and as such I would view it as groceries unless used otherwise. Don’t put it on your hook on the Utah side and you shouldn’t have any issues. Just my 2 cents.[/font]
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Not trying to step on your toes at all or sound like a Jerk, but could you give some sort of answer to the question at hand?
even an "off the record" answer?
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[quote Troll]Launching at Anvil Draw, Squaw Hollow or Buckboard is an option.
Buy your corn in Evanston or Green River, drive down to the FG and fish. Never set foot in Utah with your gear and corn at the same time, if you really want to use corn.
Problem solved.
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[#bf0000]when fishing with just me or the girlfriend I usually do just launch up in buckboard, but when the whole family goes, we like to stay at lucern as its more "camper friendly" and just boat up into the anvil area. [/#bf0000]
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I agree, and have had the same thinking to, but Id like to get an answer out there if possible for others that don't fish out of a cabin cruiser.
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If by the question at hand you mean the legality of possession of corn while launching on the Utah side with the intent of fishing on the Wyoming side, I thought that had been adequately answered. Under the current regulations, possession of corn or hominy is illegal while fishing. It would be up the individual officer to interpret the gray areas of a sealed can, boating without fishing, etc that have been raised here, but the strict interpretation of the rule is that the possession is illegal.
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Utah Wildlife Resources
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