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I was out fishing today for carp and I finally nail one and its pulling drag like crazy so I tighten it up a little bit and it rips the hook right off, man I was PISSED, the knot just unravled, this has happened before to. Unless I spend 5 minutes tying a really good strong knot this stuff does not hold. I love the line, how it casts and feels but I think Im gona have to give up on this stuff, my suffix on my ocean rods knots WAY better. Anyway, sorry for the long post but I was just wondering if anyone els has had this problem with fireline or how you fixed it?
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Can't say that I have with fireline. Use a polimar knot and test it before you throw it in. I have had it come undone due to my not getting the knot right, but most of the time it works. Of my 6 rods for sweet water , 5 have fireline. I can't say enough about the line. Good luck
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i never had that problem,i use it on all my rods,salt and fresh water,you might have had the knot wrong
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i never had that problem,i use it on all my rods,salt and fresh water,you might have had the knot wrong
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i never had that problem,i use it on all my rods,salt and fresh water,you might have had the knot wrong
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[center][cool][/center][center][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 3]Hey there Gcast167, Likewise I like the palomar and also the improve trilene knot. Be sure to wet the knot a little bit before cinching up. These knots only take a few seconds to tie. Any time spent tying a good knot is better than losing a good catch.[/size][/green][/font][/center]
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as stated above use a palomar knot and you will have no problems with your knot breaking
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The majority of your super line such as Fireline, Spiderline, Spider wire and others are ment to be tied with the Trilene knot. I have never had a Trilene knot slip out on me. It seems to hold until you want to remove it.[cool]
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The standard clinch knot tied in Spectra will unravel every time.
Uni or San Diego will work fine. You'll wanna throw in a few extra turns than ya would with mono.
Spectra lines generally test closer to their rated # test & have poorer knot strength than mono as well.
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well my frend you hooked in to a big fish for sure.
when it comes to fishing for carp, salmon, steelhead I only use a 7 rap snell knot.
the knot rapped around the hook 7 times will not come undone, how ever the line can break and your hooks can streighten out. ya know you fought a battle when your hook comes in looking like a neadle on a compus....
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The palomar is my new favorite knot [cool]
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my favorite too, when I break a line I can be back fishing in a pinch, but as impressive as the polimer knot is those atlantic salmon are just a tad better... when you tie in to one of them 30 pounders and see a polimer come untied you will wished you had tied a silmple little knot in the tail... (the polimer knot was the knot I was refering to when I mention tieing a no slip knot in the tail end)
I was using that knot last fall when I was tearin in to a school of salmon.... boy howdy did they make me feel like a freshmen back in high school.... I battled about twenty of them before I pulled one in... just wait till you see your fish jumping 3-4 feet out of water... if you can take a vidio camera,,,, cause no one will beleive your fishing stories when you get home.....[  ]
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Dave, I sure hope ya didn't break 19 Palomar knots before ya got a fish in. If so, I think I'd look for a new "favorite!" [  ]
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[font "Arial Black"][red][size 3] I have never had a problem with the Fireline. Most of my reels are loaded with Fireline and I also use a Palomar Knot, be sure to wet the line before you try to cinch the knot tight. [/size][/red][/font]
[font "Arial Black"][#ff0000][size 3]I know it works for me.[/size][/#ff0000][/font]
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the majority came untied. a few lines did snap.
no, I did not have a good salmon rod to play the fish with.
these salmon run from 15-30 pounds and have the current of the manistee to aid them in their fight. thay all seem to want to run down river and you are in for at least a 15 minute battle.
after talking to several anglers up there they do use the polimer knot they place a no-slip knot on the tail of the polimer. they do come untied after about 15-20 minutes of solid tug-a-war
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Soooo....
What yer sayin' is that yer favorite knot is one that comes untied after 15 minutes unless ya tie a stopper in the end of it?[shocked]
Three words... San Diego Knot.
The Palomar ain't workin' for ya, buddy.
Funny thing. Everyone sez how EASY it is to tie a Palomar. Guess what? I've tried & NEVER been able to tie one! [  ] That's OK with me.
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[center][cool][/center][center][font "Poor Richard"][green][size 4] Hey there Fishslayer - give this Palomar a try. You might like it.[/size][/green][/font][/center]
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Yup. That's the one.
Thanks, but...[ ] I'm tellin' ya, I TRIED! [blush]
I can tie a San Diego in the dark on a pitching deck & I've never ever not-even-once pulled in a pigtail with it. SD works on Spectra, too. Think I'll stick with what I know...
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after you have tied that polimer you need to tie a no slip knot on the loose thread, (tail) this will stop the knot from unravaling.
most of the michigan's northern salmon anglers add this last knot as a safty precausion. the line will then have only two options, bring in the fish or break....
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I did in fact have some problems with the Fireline, but not from the knot giving way...I had problems with what apparently was a bad lot according to the manufacturer.
I have switched over to the Stealth braid and have not had any problems since.
I prefer the Palomar knot for all braids, regardless of the manufacturer/brand...as for monofilament line, I use the double improved clinch knot and nothing else.
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