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I wasn't going to post but I guess I'm addicted to posting. Besides, this may be beneficial to a few.
Went to the Rock Cliff area to try some of the "hot spots" with Sparky and my tube. Without going into a big long story, I ended up talking to a park ranger and finding out that a dog must be on a leash within the park. Also found out that the "park" is the entire lake!! Makes it kind of difficult to fish from a tube with your dog on a leash. [mad] Well, for the last 9 years I have been hiking in from the north end and always seen lots of folks exercisng their dogs and taking them to the lake for a swim. I decided to "break the law" and go to the north end, possibly my last time. Walking down the road, met another hiker with 3 labs (off leash) and mentioned that I just found out that technically we're braking the law. He said that he was aware of this but still takes his dogs off leash. What was most disturbing was he recently had a lady complain about his dogs being off leash in this very remote area of the lake!!!!! This could very well kill it for Sparky and I.[unsure]
Did catch a few bass and perch even in this highly fished area. Caught one that I swear I thought I had the state record and after landing it, it only measured 15 in. Man, those smallies fight better than a 40 in tiger. Sparky and I will miss it.
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I saw you there. I almost came over and talked to you but didn't want to disturb your spot. I was in the white aluminum boat that came straight across from the ramp about noon. I fished in that area a while and couldn't get a bite. Worked my way off toward the inlet. After fishing for a couple of hours and not getting anything I found an area where I was getting a lot of bites but still couldn't hook anything. I figured it was probably perch and it was time to catch dinner. I put on a nightcrawler. Yup, I started catching perch. They are a lot harder to find this year than last. While fishing for perch I caught a lot of big chubs. After catching a few perch and chubs I hooked into something that felt like it must be a world record chub but it turned out to be an 18",3# smallmouth. I continued to fish that same little spot for a while and hooked into another one. As I got it up to the boat it looked just a little bigger than the last one. I reached out to net him and he decided that the fun was over and unhooked himself. Later, I moved and landed a 19", 4# smallmouth. They were not to big by Jordanelle standards but they are the three biggest smallmouth that I have caught. So, I'm not complaining.
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Nkunz,
Next time, if there is one, come over and say howdy wherever it is! I'm jealous of your smallie catch. On worms? Good on ya.
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Leaky, this really pisses me off. I can understand the public areas like beaches, but this is out of hand. The State Parks and DWR in Utah seems to always take the easy way out. Its over regulation or none at all. They forget who pays the bills.
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I was up there today too. (Rock Cliffs) Congrats on the nice smallies. After fishing for bass early with variable success, I did the same thing and caught a meal of perch. (I had a craving) The perch are fewer than previous years and localized but they seem to me to be bigger than what we have come to expect from the X. If one has a craving for the perchies, it is worth giving a shot. Leaky, sorry to hear about the hassle with the rangers. I have seen many dogs up there causing no problems, I don't know why they would feel the need to crack down like that.
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That really stinks that the ranger was busting your chops about Sparky. I've heard the guys up there have really become Nazi's about petty stuff, giving tickets for taking a breath the wrong way pretty much. I can't believe the lady complaining about the dogs.... thats a joke!!! [mad] Its not like you have some out of control dog and I'm sure the dude probably had pretty good control of his three... he must have to take that many at once. I wish they would worry about people like the drunk kids that go screaming around the lake in Daddy's boat running people out of their way and creating havoc for people up there actually trying to enjoy some time on the water. Or PWC folks that insist on screeching by anyone with a rod in their hands for no other reason than to be a nuisance. Seriously, there isn't much damage a dog can do once he's in the water.... not like he can come flying out of the water and attack somebody... give me a freakin break. I'm glad I still have a few corners of the earth where I can go and be pretty assured I get some solitude where I don't have to worry about ignorance from unwanted company or being henpecked to death by overeager Barney Fifes......
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nothing agenst anyone and you to leaky as well i'm sure most the dog oweners that take there dog's up there look after them in a manner that is respectfull of others... but i for one am glad that the parks have the leash law!! as i have said before i dont know these dogs i dont want to know these dogs and i deffentley dont want to fish with these dogs..i dont want them eating my bait, i dont want them peeing on my tackle box,i dont want to hook them when i'm casting, i dont want them swimming in the area i'm fishing, and i realy do want them scaring my kidds or even biting my kidds.. if you take your dog look after it the right way (with a leash)!! or leve them home!!!
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That's too bad leaky. It does make it kind of tough for everyone. Heck it's usually the few who ruin it for the many. I can see the other side though. Heck, dogs usually don't bother me much, but my little girl is horribly allergic to them, and unfortunately dogs don't know this. So even a friendly dog that comes up for a little lick or a pat on the head can set her off into an allergic fit, so we have to keep our distance. Of course labs aren't usually known for thier sudden attacks, but a kid that gets bit for no reason is a  thing. I work in an ER and I've seen some pretty nasty facial wounds from dogs. Now I know sometime kids will egg dogs on, but there are some that will seemingly attack for no reason. If your dog did that, better hope your checking account has a lot of zero's in it, cause if they decided to sue you, you would loose, no questions asked. Heck, if I was fishin' by myself, I'd love to have you and sparky along, sure wouldn't bother me none.
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I'm sure the leash law is a county ordinance and not specifically aimed towards the state park [only]. However, they may have more strict laws than the county [like Deer Creek].
Every owner thinks their dog is the exception to the rule. What is a nuisance to one person is not a problem for the next. Second too traffic issues, animal control is the most common complaint facing local government [law enforcement]. It may sound trivial but It costs the taxpayers [you] millions each year.
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I don't know. Somehow I don't feel very comfortable with some of the replies. Probably am taking it personnaly and need to chill!!!![pirate] I will add this though. When I met up with the park ranger, I was going to the "john" in their facility at the end of the road and absolutely no one was around. Don't misunderstand, he was very polite and sympathized with the situation. We were about to head up the trail on the East side and I doubt if I would have run across anyone at all. In addition, the places I fish, Sparky and I seldom run across anyone on shore. When I do, I call him out to me in the tube and we go around. I have to admitt that at Mnatua I wasn't paying attention enough but I won't make that mistake again!!![mad] By the way, at Mantua ( a previous post when I was with Tube Dude some time ago), all he was doing was standing in the water next to "these guys" watching me. He couldn't care less about em.
I guess I just can't understand the lack of tolerance by "some folks" and their inferred postings for a dog like Sparky who is doing absoloutely no harm to anyone , friendly and is my best friend! These are probably the same ones that complain about the lack of tolerance for their personal beliefs or activities to include water scoters, speed boats, atvs, motorcyles, religion, etc. etc. etc.
Ok, I'll try to shut up, chill, deal with it and simply find other locations for Sparky and I. Sorry about that!!!![unsure]
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I feel the same way as you. I take my do with me almost every where I go. Some times he ends up staying in the bed of the truck, if I don’t take him with me I hear about it when I get home. 95% of the people I run across are not trouble by him and want to give the dog attention. I am aware of the other 5% that want nothing to do with the dog and don't want him around. I can usually tell who they are and will call my dog to me and hold on to him until out of the situation. If I find that Im around some one who does like dog I will tie him out or put him in the truck. I have never been offended from someone asking me to tie up my dog because they don't like dogs. I hope I have not offended any one with my dog that I have fished with, next time let me know and I'll tie him up.
I to have had problems in state parks for have my dog off the leash while ice fishing and I was the only one on the ice. Because of receiving a ticket that day I have not paid to fish at a state park or purchased another annual pass for the last two years which I have for the past 5 years.
Technically they can also ticket you while in your boat for not having your dog on a leash. I was able to get State Parks to change the ruling on OHV's will ice fishing I how ever was unable to get them to change the rules for dog while one the lake (unfrozen or frozen) I was discussed in the board meeting but was drop. Reasonable dog owners need to band together and call State Parks and comment to lighten up the rules on dogs. I've been trying to get State Parks to change there rule to allow dog to be with in voice command outside improved campgrounds, requiring leash in improved campground area.
I was on a ATV ride this weekend with a large group of people over 100 OHV’s. It was held in the Uinta National Forest. I count over 12 dogs running around. The ranger came by. They were there to mainly check on OHV regulation. In talking to them about the dog they stated the policy for the National Forest is that the dog must be under voice command and not be left to bother others in the area if out side improved campgrounds, inside improved campground dogs are required to be on a leash.
If anyone would like more information on who to contact send me a PM and I'll send the info. to you.
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Dont want to make to big of waves and make anyone mad but this my opinion. I feel that we are living in a society were people no longer have any understanding of animals and say things like I just dont want my kids to get bit. If a dog is the type to bite someone I will guarantee you that he would be on a leash for fear of lawsuits. I do understand there are some anoying dogs out there I have a few friends that own them. But I am sick and tired of this lets punish all for a few morons. The more we let this kind of attitude win out the less rights we have overall. What ever happened to a little common sense???????
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Wanna know what's REALLY Disgusting Leaky?
You can't even have a dog in your boat at deer creek.
I've got a dog named "blue" that i love just as much as you seem to love your sparky  - Me and my dad used to fish Deer Creek every summer, multiple times... Gotta love those big deer creek perch=D
Well anyways, one day we were fishing off of the island (in our boat) for some of those massive DC perch... A ranger boat pulled up and told us that we had to either get rid of the dog, or get off the water. Dogs are not allowed anywhere around Deer Creek. Astonished my father asked the ranger what the reason for that was... He said that the lake was used for water in the salt lake valley, and they don't want dogs dirtying it.
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First of all, I realize that the sign posted at the entrance of the park says no dogs allowed. Every time we entered my dad asked the lady working the booth, if it was okay if our dog came along - as long as she never touched the park grounds with her four paws. (We lift her from the car into the boat when launching) Blue never once layed a single foot on the deer creek park. (The people working the booth never told us that dogs were also outlawed on the water, in boats - that might have been helpful) We told the ranger this, and he said they were wrong - dogs are not allowed anywhere on deer creek - including on your very own BOAT.
Second, my father was certainly going to do as he was told - he planned on leaving, but he was simply astonished, so he asked the ranger some questions. He asked, why isnt MY dog allowed on MY boat? He said thats just how it works. My dad then told him our dog never touched the park, she went directly from the truck to the boat ( we even carried her!!!)
After a few more questions he finally said that dogs are not allowed, becuase the lake is used for drinking water for some cities in utah. He then said dogs would dirty up the water and could cause some health problems for drinking water.
All i could do is laugh, like boat oil, gasoline, trash, animal poop, people, and everything else that ends up in a lake isn't harmful? How is a dog more harmful than that? I mean come on... That's just rediculous. Not to mention that lakes that are used for drinking purposes always have purifying stations to cleanse the water.
My dad knew this was wrong and senseless, so he contacted the Utah game and fish - They said that was the law, and they had no intentions of changing it.
How lame is that? (sorry about the length, felt like ranting)
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It used to much more strict at Deer Creek than it is now. When I was probably about age 5 or 6 (many moons ago) we used to fish Deer Creek often. Once I was standing in the water maybe a foot from shore. A boat came by with a couple uniformed men onboard and ordered me out of the water. We were clearly informed that Deer Creek was used for drinking water and no one was allowed to swim or even wade in it!
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[size 1]"If a dog is the type to bite someone I will guarantee you that he would be on a leash for fear of lawsuits."[/size]
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[size 1]If the person is responsible -- yes, unfortunately, there are far too many people who are not responsible, and people, especially children, have been severely injured and even killed by dogs that were not on a leash.[/size]
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[size 1]I don't have strong feelings, one way or the other, about people taking their dogs with them when they go fishing. On a few occasions when I have fished from the shore, or I have been ice fishing I have had dogs come over to me and start grabbing at my tackle, lunch, or even jumping up on me. In some cases the owner has immediately gotten the dog under control. In some other cases the owner has made a feeable attempt to control his dog, and then not even bothered any further when the dog refused to obey. In these situations I haven't known what else to do but to yell at the dog in an attempt to get them to let me fish undisturbed.[/size]
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i don't see what the deal is with putting a leash on your dog is? if your dog is well trained then it is not going to mind the leash.. i take my dog on the boat all the time and she love being in the boat and just being with the kidds..
the dog's i have the problems with is the dog that there oweners just let them run wild and DONT KEEP A EYE ON THEM!! not only that but the oweners think it ok that there dog is ruining everyones fishing and fun because they can't control there dog!!!
if your a dog owener and like taking your dog with you it might be a good idea to obey the law's that they have now..if there are to meany offenders the park's can and will make it so you and i can't take our dog's at all!! think about that next time you think the leash law is unfair..
in california there are alot of lakes were you can't even take a dog or even touch the water with your hands or any part of your boddy because it's drinking water for one city or a nother.. if the people here in utah can't reframe from abuseing the law's we allready have then they will just get tuffer law's that will ruin it for everyone...
the leash law is for everyone just like the slot limmint law at the berry is for everyone!! there is no diffrense the law is the law!!
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Fuzzy,
Everything you have said is true and are good, valid comments so I hope you don't consider this an attack on you because that's not my intention. Walking him on a leash, although restrictive to his pleasures is doable. But just like your initial post, you have missed my basic point. I no longer can fish in any state park from a tube. Have you ever tried keeping a dog on a leash in a tube? As you said, it's the law and I'll deal with it. It's just too bad that these kind of restrictions have to exist, and it's getting worse. I'm not just talking about dogs. I really need to stop whining now. Sorry again.
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Deer Creek's rule about dog is not from State Parks it comes from Provo Water Users, they are the owners of the water. The Federal Government owns the Dam and the land around the Lake and can dictate how State Park's uses it. If you want to change Deer Creek you need to contact Provo Water Users the State is only enforcing their agreement with the water users to use the water.
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This whole thing is a small part of the larger picture of how we are loosing more freedom to more government control.[unsure] Why is it that some of you are willing to give up someone else’s freedom, like being able to let their dog run in a large open area, in order for you to feel safer or not to be bothered. I get bothered by some of the smallest thing others do I either leave the area or ask them to refrain from their activity or move them somewhere else I also have to realize that they have as much right to be there and do there activity as I do and I don’t want my rights to do what I want taken from me. The bottom line is tolerant and respect of each other instead of taking each others rights away with government regulations. Before long neither side will have any rights[ ].
OK I’ve said my peace about government regulations. Take what I have said with a  [ ].
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[font "Comic Sans MS"][#bf0000]After reading all the post about the rule of dogs must be on a leash in a State Park, and being a dog owner myself, I feel the urge to comment. I feel that you need to follow the rules of the waters you are fishing. If you want to fish with your dog in a state park then keep the critter on a leash as the law states. If you fish from a tube and still want your dog then look elsewhere for a fishing hole or buy a boat so the dog can be with you without disturbing others! I take my dog fishing with me in my boat on Bear Lake all the time. It is not on a leash while in the boat, but when I get to the marina/shore I do leash my dog. I agree with most everyone else that dogs should not have to be leashed in state park-owned areas without improvements, but its not my choice. Its their land and they make the rules for it. Is it right? Maybe not. Can we influence the parks to change the law? Maybe, it can't hurt trying. But in the mean time if you want to fish in state parks, obey the law and quit whining! Or leave the dog at home or as I suggested earlier, buy a boat and fish with your dog where it is allowed.[/#bf0000][/font]
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