Turium Or Avex SX reels..

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I just bought the turium t16 last night prior to knowing about AVEX. I was wondering for bass/halibut if the turium is a good reel in comparison to the avex? I have never used a avex but it came highly recommended Should I take the turion back and get the avex or are they very comparable reels?

http://fish.shimano.com/catalog/fish/pro...1087052513
TOR164616/450, 20/320 20.03 BB/1 RB6.2:1 22.4

VS 5.1:1 CLICKER and the 6/4 CLICKER
http://www.avetreels.com/avet_sx.html

What is the difference in gear ratio? One is more winds than the other per crank like a 21 SPEED BICYCLE?

I went out in doheny harbor today and got 4 keeper bass. Not bad for a first run I was using jigs off the bottom hooking up within 5 mins of the first drop!! Can wait to get some halibut
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[tubeN2]

Eventually you may want to keep both of the reels. If you ever get into fishing on the Party Boats, you will want to have a few different rigs ready to go.

The Torium 16 has a 6.2to1 ratio where the Avet SX 5.0 is a 5:1 ratio. Generally rule of thumb is that when you have a higher ratio you are sacrificing torque but gaining retreival speed.

Lower gear ratio is more torque and slower retreival speed.

For general shore fishing either one is good but for the type of fishing that you described I would recommend the one that has more flexibility for you.

I have Toriums, Avets, Trinidads, Saltists as well as others.

If you really like the Torium, I think you could have gotten a better deal by purchasing the Saltist. They have a choice of the 5.0 or the 6.0.

The higher speed does come in handy when you are throwing surface irons for Barracuda or Bonitas.

The lower speed/higher torque come in handy for Halibut, Yellow Tail, White Sea Bass, Ling Cod, Rock Fish and even for Sharks.

You will still want a higher line capacity for some types of Sharks though. Unless you are targeting Leopard Sharks, Horn Sharks, Grey Smooth hounds, Brown Smooth hounds, Swell Sharks, Spiny Dog Fish or Shovelnose Sand Sharks.

Higher line capicity is more beneficial when targeting Mako Sharks, Thresher Sharks or even the Mud Marlin.[cool]
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[CaptJoeVerdino]

Tuben2 summed it up pretty well. I use torium 30 for king fish, mainly for the high speed retrieve. Avet reels have higher drag settings for the same sized reel so they work well for bottom fishing where you need to crack fish away from structure.
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[Tarpon4me]

I have Okuma 45's spooled with 25 lb line for kings. I like light line and I like a level wind when i'm targeting kings. They have a fast gear ratio, but not quite the 6:1 that some others do.

I've never owned an Avet reel, but i've used them. They seem to be a stout reel.

I was surprised to see that Tuben2 uses a bait caster to chunk lures. I've always been a fan of spinning tackle for that task. Infact, I just purchased a new rod and reel combo to do just that, cast lures and chunk live/dead bait. My old rig went down hill.[]

I just purchased an Okuma Coronado CD50 and mounted it on a med/heavy action Redbone spinning rod. It's a nasty combo for casting. Combine that with 300 yards of 30 lb power pro, and i'm all set for the next season. I always keep a high speed spinning rig ready on the boat incase something decides to poke it's ugly head up from the depths.

When it comes to down and dirty on the big grouper, I like my Penn reels. I just haven't graduated to try some of the other brands like Avet reels. I guess i'll have to wait until one of my other reels takes a dive to do it.

I've had my eye on one of those International "torque" series reels by Penn. You guys were talking about speed and torque, this reel has both. Instead of an undersized pinion gear to increase speed, they increase the main gear. That's why the face has that hump in it. So, you're not loosing sheer strength from having a tiny pinion gear, and you're also getting the high speed gear ratio at the same time. So you've got torque and gear ratio, kinda like a supercharged diesel. [cool] This allows the reel to be more universal for more applications. It has a very powerful drag and was designed for use with todays super braids, so it can hold up to some serious abuse. The price tag is the only deterant for me, it's hard to justify almost 400 bucks for a reel when I can get two high quality reels for under 300 bucks.
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[tubeN2]

Hey T4me. I love conventionals for top irons as well as heavier jigs. I get so much more distance with them.

Weather I'm throwing a Tady 9, Tady 45, AA or even a 1/4 oz leadhead w/plastic, my Avet sx can handle many of my needs.

When we get the Cudas in I will actually use my Torium 30 6.1to1 or my Penn 506HS.

[Tarpon4me]

Oh yeah, sure they are efficient for casting. I use to hate spinning reels. Infact, I have a hard time casting one strait. [sly] (I've never understood that) I'm getting better with it though. That rig I just purchased is really smooth and I can cast it very accurately with the braid on it.

I like spinning tackle for a "quick run" rig because of dependability. Not that casting rigs aren't dependable, but there is less room for error with spinning tackle.

You might be drifting through a spot and see a 60 pound Cobia pop up 50 yards away. He might not be up for a few seconds, or he might stay up all day. It's not a chance I want to take. If i've only got 2 casts at him, I want to know it's going to get to him with out fail both casts. I treat every quick run situation as i've only got 1 or 2 casts, so I stay more focused. I get more distance with spinning tackle spooled with braid because they don't have the spool resistance that a casting rigg has. Alot of times it's that "loner" fish that's a trophy, and if you screw it up, you might not get another chance at one for a while.

As far as jigging, I think spinning tackle would be just about the worse thing you could use. LOL, I couldn't imagine jigging with a spinning rod and reel. That Avet reel you have would be just about perfect for that, just like you stated. I rarely do any jigging here, but i'm going to try a few different tactics when the fishing gets slow this year.

I like light stuff for cudas. You know that big barracuda my son caught? If you look in the picture close, you can see the Okuma in the back. He hit my float rig. LOL, only 25 lb line. But, you really don't need heavy stuff for cuda's. 60-80 pound great barracuda never seem to have much juice. That 62 pounder Mike caught might have run out 80 yards, and the 25 lb line was plenty. He had him to the boat in 10 minutes. I think the spanish we get into on 10 lb line have more balls than a barracuda. The schoolies seem to be much stronger than the fat, lazy grown cuda's. LOL None the less, i'm spinning tackle all the way when i'm chunking lures for nasty game fish.[cool]
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[tubeN2]

There is 1 important rule for Conventional reels, and it goes like this: [red][size 4]Don't be dumb. Use the thumb![][/size][/red]
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[black]So many people forget how to control the Conventional Reel or the Baitcaster too.[crazy][/black]

I do agree with you on that unusual fish being in the area and not wanting to blow it.

I still use lots of spinning equipment, bait casting, conventional and fly fishing gear. It is important to keep up the proficiency at each of them.

When I am chucking from shore, I will always use my Coronado 90s, 50s, and my Diawa DTE 750. I still like my Coronados better because of the bait runner feature.

So we are a little off topic. We are having fun. Right?
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[Tarpon4me]

LOL, we might be a little off topic, but think of all the anglers that are learning from this conversation? []I was hoping some of our other BFT people would jump in. []

As far as your saying, it could also go like this:


[red][size 5]don't be dumb, don't use too much thumb![/size][/red]
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[black]LOL, I don't know how many times i've sizzled my thumb on my old Penn squidder. Those things made one hell of an anchor reel. [/black]

Many people don't know how to use the break on the side of the reel to "set" the tension on the spool during free spool. If you're experianced enough, like you and I, you can leave it very loose and get optimal distance by simply manually using your thumb to keep the spool from "out running" the line.

Those of lesser experiance or those who would rather sacrifice some distance for consistancy can set the break for each application based on it's weight. You'd be amazed how many anglers have no idea what the little dial on the side of the reel is for. [cool]
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[tubeN2]

That is so true about the "Cast Control".
I have been working with some youth groups. The first thing that I teach them with the conventionals, is how to set the control according to the weight of what they are casting with.

It's funny to watch sometimes as they change from a Tady C to a 4/0. Plfffffffffffffffffffft. Then they ask me if I have ever seen a prettier birds nest.

Since I am so patient, I just tell them that it is a work of art but to also be carefull. There might be some eggs in it. LOL[laugh]
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