New Knot Discovery??

[tomstoneradio]

Hi guys,

While at home today tying and testing different knots (I know, what an interesting life I lead[:p]), I came upon this idea. Now, I tie a pretty decent improved clinch knot. In fact it's my go-to knot in the clutch. But testing it with 10lb P-Line CX, I found it moderately easy to break the knot...maybe because of the fluorocarbon coating, but that's another discussion for another thread. (And before you say anything, yes, I wet my knots and cinch them down slowly and carefully)

Sooooo...I doubled the line up, as if I was going to tie a palomar knot, but instead I tied a 3 wrap improved clinch. Actually cinched down nicely, even with the extra line. I couldn't break the knot before the line itself broke...felt like you would need a truck to break it! It was near impossible for me to even bite through it!

Has anyone ever heard of this or done it? If not, I would highly recommend it...bet it would be insanely strong with braid!! Gonna try it next time I go out fo' sho!
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[TheWhizzle]

I've seen a lot of offshore fishermen tie something like that-



[font "Verdana"][url "http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_knots.html"]Double improved clinch[/url] (Rivers Inlet knot)
[/font][font "Verdana"]I was first exposed to this knot during a trip to British Columbia's famed Rivers Inlet, home each summer to some of the largest, most powerful Chinook salmon. Guides explained that they needed a knot to turn 70 pound fish without fear of line failure. The Rivers Inlet knot is one of the strongest and is fairly easy to tie. When tied properly it retains 100 percent of original line strength and may be a hair stronger than the standing line itself. It is an excellent light line knot, but may be used with lines testing up to 40 pounds.[/font] [font "Verdana"]Step 1: Take 8 to 10 inches of leader/standing line and double it back, creating a double line. Pass the loop through the hook eye/swivel/lure 4 to 5 inches.[/font] [font "Verdana"]Step 2: Make 4 wraps back up the leader/standing line. Three wraps is plenty when using over 20 pound test, however, making less than 4 wraps will not securely hold the knot and more than 4 wraps causes the wraps to bunch up and overlap themselves.[/font] [font "Verdana"]Step 3: Pull evenly and firmly on the loop, tag end and standing line simultaneously, being careful not to let wraps or the double line bunch up or cross over themselves.[/font] [font "Verdana"]Step 4: Trim all three ends.[/font]



I use it when I am fishing with 25 or 30 lb test mono. It held up against many 20 lb class yellowtail. And my big striper.
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[tomstoneradio]

Yep, that's almost exactly what I do, except after you put your tag end loop back through the space between the eye and where the twist begins, I go one better and put the tag loop back through the loop you just created.

Here's what I do, exactly like below, except with doubled line, and only 3 wraps (any more than that and I find it just gets all crazy overlapping itself and whatnot):

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[montananinnv]

when i was bout 6 years old i fished a trout kids derby in montana and the fish and game guy there showed us how to tie the improved clinch knot. when i do it though i put the line through the lure and hold the main line and end and spin the lure before putting the end through the bottom loop and then the loop you just made. wet and pull tight. same thing as the cinch knot except you spin the loops instead of wraping it around the main line. you would think it would cause problems spinning but it doesnt. i have gotten it snagged on the bottom before with 8 pound line and leaned into it and the knot held up. i would spin it if i was in the bass master classic. and its easier and faster than wrapping it.
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[montananinnv]

when i lived at desert shores, i put tied that knot literally once the entire summer and used the same line, hook and sinker all summer. when i was done for the day i would put my pole just inside the back door till next time. at the end of the year the hook was all rusty but it still caught fish and the knot showed no sign of breaking or slipping. including these two good cats on it
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[TheWhizzle]

I have a love affair with the palomar- It couldn't be easier to tie, and it retains a ton of strength. (do use an improved clinch for fluorocarbon- the line is so hard that it cuts back in on itself with a palmar) but for all other lines, I love the palomar.
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[tomstoneradio]

Yeah, the Palomar is my solid #2...it's a good easy knot. I think it's best with braid, but does work wonders on everything except fluorocarbon, like you said.

On that note, I have done the double improved clinch with fluorocarbon as well, and it works great, as long as you wet the line and take your time cinching it down. Have to take your time with fluorocarbon coated lines as well.

In general, I think people put too much stock in line strength, and not enough emphasis on knot tying. I'm a believer that a well tied knot, given the proper knot choice based on what line your using, is worth it's weight in gold. You can always adjust your drag, play the fish out, and (try to) keep your line out of the weeds and rocks to prevent line breaks, but almost any size fish could break or pull through a poorly tied knot, no matter how well you play them...
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[Gregory99]

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[tomstoneradio]

Well, since you never know when that trophy will hit, the last thing you want to do is be wishing you tied a better knot as your fish swims away with your end tackle...

That's a good site, thanks for posting it! This is another one for our board members to look at. The thing I like about this one is the fact you can click step by step through the animation so you really get it. [url "http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php"]http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php[/url]
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[montananinnv]

i have been fishing drop shot rigged worms, the polomar works awesome for it. but after tying knot put the long tag end back through the hook eye and tie the sinker on the end of it. makes the hook stick straight out sideways and the hook point up. makes a plastic bait stay horizontal until you wiggle the pole
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