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Went to school field yesterday, two of us got52 cut throat and 19 chubs. We only cought the Cubs when distinctly fishing for them using night crawlers for bait. Was thinking about a chub tournament. Since they probably won't have a tournament at Scofield this year, how about a chub tournament.,, If alot of people show up catch as many jobs as possible we just might make a dent in the chubs. If the DWR sponsored it like they did the other tournament or the Fish Lake perch tournament, it might be a success. Anything to thin out the chubs and let he cuts grow bigger. If any of the DWR people read this, considerate it, it would be fun,chubs are fun to catch. Anybody have any thoughts on that?
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That was suspended to be Scolfield.... Auto Correct is its own worst enema.
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Let's just have a rotenone party. Everybody drill a couple of holes in the ice and pour in a couple of pounds of rotenone. Then the trout (all species) could grow bigger.
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You know thats not going to happen but if you fish for the chubs, you might get one of those big tigers. I've got a couple of five and a seven pound Tiger this year, like to see the big fish keep growing.
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+1 Fishrmn! I'm in!! ]
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[quote cdbrc]You know thats not going to happen but if you fish for the chubs, you might get one of those big tigers. I've got a couple of five and a seven pound Tiger this year, like to see the big fish keep growing.[/quote]
Yes the big fish are there. Just got to k ow how to fish for them.
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They had a chub contest last year along with the rainbow contest.. I can't remember how many won, or what they won.. But they need to do something with that lake, whether it is a pure chub contest or kill it off.. I live about 25 minutes away from scofield and I know a lot of locals who would rather travel 2 hrs. and fish somewhere else than go to scofield. I remember about 10-12 years ago, and u would catch big nice 'bows.. And then when ice was 20-30 yrds. off shore and those 'bows where in shallow, you couldn't keep them off your hook with a egg sack and I'm talking 3-4 lb. and sometime 5 lbers. all day long.. The lake needs to come back to those years, it is time to do something with it..
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[quote Jackin_Jaws] I live about 25 minutes away from scofield and I know a lot of locals who would rather travel 2 hrs. and fish somewhere else than go to scofield.[/quote]
Says it all. Next thing you know, the State will be looking to close or sell the State Park at Scofield.
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You do know it cost over a million dollars to treat a lake the size of Scofield don't you? They have poisoned it many times in the past and the results are always the same, the fishing is good for a while, then the chubs gain control once again and it's time to start over again. Seems like a big waste of money to me because guess who pays for that treatment, we do!! I know the Tiger trout and Cutts have not done the job to date but I see no reason on giving up on the idea of using an aggressive fish to control the chub population there. It is just a matter of finding the right fish that works on getting the job done. They had a big problem like this in Newcastle some years back, they introduced Wipers and now the lake is kicking out state record fish. I'm not saying wipers will work at Scofield, just saying that the DWR should try some other fish to control the chub population there. If they try some other type of fish there to control the chub population, what would you think would be a good choice?
Tiger Muskie, Northern pike, Wipers, others?
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Yes, I do know that it costs a great deal of money to poison a reservoir the size of Scofield. I'm guessing that the State Parks at Scofield have lost at least a million dollars in revenue from people choosing to go somewhere (anywhere) else, rather than waste their time at Scofield. They've had a great opportunity the last two years to poison it while it was EXTREMELY low. The UDWR didn't try to rehabilitate Strawberry by just planting Cutthroats to eat the chubs. They poisoned the reservoir first. Then they've tried to control a much smaller population of Chubs with Cutthroat trout. They had enough money to poison Gunlock and Red Fleet. They're planting Fatheads to establish a forage fish that remains small enough to be eaten in order to get Red Fleet ready for piscivorous species.
Scofield didn't have a Chub problem for roughly 20 years after the last rotenone treatment. Without slot limits, and without piscivorous species. Now it's had several years of skinny, snake like, Cutthroats. It's time to go back to what works.
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I'd do the tournament for a few reasons. My kids love to fish, but don't love to eat them as much. Catching chubs at Scofield is a win win for them. It would also be great for a bunch of scouts who have never ice fished before because at least they would be pretty much guaranteed to catch a fish or two if we were going after chubs. But I think the best reason why I'd join a tournament is because I read post after post of how good Scofield used to be, and how many people want it poisoned, but instead of just complaining about what the dwr isn't doing, let's all do what little we can to control the chub population ourselves.
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Once you get past a ridiculous amount of chub for bait, is it legal to dump dead ones back down the hole? After you've finished fishing of course.
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The FL tourney for perch results in a desirable catch. A chub tourney won't have that same pull to involve people. You would need some pretty fancy prizes to draw the crowds IMO. Put up a decent fish-n-ski boat as the top prize, or a truck, and then you will have the crowds despite the undesirable target. Perhaps the DWR or state parks would be willing to put $30-$40K into prizes in hopes of progress without the $1M price tag?
I don't know a lot about the specifics of the issue at Scofield, but I think I understand that the adult chubs - that are to large for predators to eat, are rather long-lived. Did I read 12-15, perhaps even 20 years? That's a long time for a turn around, waiting for masses of large chubs to pass away and get the overall population under control while cuts or tigers target the smaller ones.
Why are the cuts so darn skinny down there? I caught a few last year, and they were indeed in poor shape. Are those 11 inch cuts unable/unwilling to prey on chub fry? Have they not made a switch from insects to fish diets? With the abundance of chubs, it would see there would be lots of offspring to feed on. Does the DWR need to raise some to 15 inches before releasing?
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Put them buggers on the ice for 4 or 5 hrs. then put them back in and after a 5 min. they will revive and swim away.
Did it once just to try it out.
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I know they put certain fish in each lake for reasons but if I could pick one fish to go in there it would be Burbot! I love that fish!
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[crazy]Sorry guys, I'm not into what if, why don't they's, what usta be's, just would you be interested in a CHUB tournament? No boats or trucks or any prizes, just a lot of fun and bragen rights. THe end of FEB. would be a choice time..The scout troops and families would be a great idea. As for disposal of the fish,, would have to check into that. But I do know you never, never, never just put a chub back in the water without killing it first.....
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Good luck with your tourney. I won't be joining you. I believe it would be a total waste of time, effort, money, and resources. You're not going to be able to put a dent in the numbers of chubs. If 10,000 people were to catch 100 chubs it would be 1,000,000 chubs removed. That would take about 3 large female chubs to be able to reproduce that many baby chubs. One year later there would be no discernible difference.
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Does anyone know what people are supposed to do with the dead chubs. I called the DWR and they couldn't tell me. I was told to call different DWR or rangers office in several different counties and at the end of the day after calling five different offices no one knew the answer. I know that we are supposed to kill the chubs but I don't know what we are supposed to do with the dead fish. Are we supposed to haul them away and put them in the garbage? Kill them and put them back down the hole? Thanks for your help.
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Here is what the fishing guidebook says:
To take nonprohibited nongame fish, you
may use angling, traps, archery, dipnets, cast
nets, liftnets, seines or a handheld spear from
above the surface of the water. You may use
a crossbow only if you’re taking carp. When
using these methods, please remember the
following rules:
•Seines (nets) may not exceed 10 feet in
length or width.
•Cast nets may not exceed 10 feet in
diameter (a five-foot radius).
•Nongame fish that are legal to take must
either be released or killed immediately
after you remove them from the
water. You may not leave them on the
shoreline
In addition the guidebook says:
After catching any of the above fish, you
may consume them or dispose of them at one
of the following locations:
•In the water where the fish was caught
•A fish-cleaning station
•The angler’s permanent residence
•Another location where disposal is
authorized by law
Although in this last section it does not spell out Scofield as one of the lakes listed, I think putting dead chubs back down the hole would be legal. You can not leave them on the shore. I will contact the DWR tomorrow and make sure but I do think this is OK.
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Guys,
This is the state park manager at Scofield State Park.
I just saw this post on Chubs at Scofield. I was in the Price DWR office last week and we discussed the Chub situation at Scofield. In their latest gill net sampling they found very few young chub. Which is good. The chub that they caught were large older chub. Hopefully this is a positive sign that the young chub are not surviving.
If you are out on the lake and catch chubs you are welcome to take them home and eat them (I have heard they are excellent smoked or pickled) or dispose of them as you wish. We would ask that you do not place them in our small garbage cans. We don't like the smell and would like to keep the bears out of the campgrounds.
Our annual ice fishing tournament should be announced later today. We will be holding it on January 2nd. Last year we started a Chub portion to the tournament. We felt that it went very well. We gave away prizes to groups who caught the most chubs. I think the winning group last year caught around 70 chubs. We will continue that part of the tournament this year.
Thanks
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