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KSL link to it.
[url "http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40044672&nid=1288&title=should-corn-be-legal-fishing-bait-in-utah-dwr-wants-feedback"]http://www.ksl.com/?sid=40044672&nid=1288&title=should-corn-be-legal-fishing-bait-in-utah-dwr-wants-feedback[/url]
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100% disagree with it being legal
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100% agree with it being legal!
Corn makes great Kokanee and Trout bait and in states that allow it there has been no evidence of the fish having problems from it. Biologists I've talked to feel the same way. It's a law that sought to preempt people from chumming with it, but those that would chum with it probably already do and break the law anyway, so why restrict the vast majority of us that obey the law. Nice, cheap bait.... I'm for it.
That said, I probably would never use it except for kokanees.
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Thanks for posting this. I replied "No Preference" to the trout questions but said "Yes" to the smallmouth/Jordanelle proposal.
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I really don't care one way or the other on the corn issue.
If they change the rule so corn can be used as bait then besides all the Styrofoam worm containers, powerbait and salmon egg bottles laying around on shore, there will some cans to go along with them.[:/]
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Seems like I heard at one time that corn is good bait for carp.
That could make for some fun fishing if it is true and make it easier to get some catfish bait.
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I replied "yes" too on the smallmouth/jordanelle question, but in my comments ant the end of the survey I proposed that they might consider upping the limit as well to try to entice people to go up to specifically catch 8-11" smallmouths. I think it's the right thing to increase harvest to thin the herd, but I really don't think keeping it at 6 will make much of a difference. Most still will probably throw them back because six 8-10" smallmouths aren't hardly worth it for the guy wanting to feed his family a big fish dinner, let alone the hassle of filleting six of the little buggers. At least that's how I've always felt about it.
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I replied "no" to using bait, so I guess I got shut out of yes/no to corn. really have no opinion on that anyway.
I did take the opportunity at the end to notify again the increasing presence of Rainbow Trout in Little Dell Reservoir.
I think these surveys are great by the way.
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What's the story behind corn? Is it harmful to fish, or does it just make good, cheap chum that fishermen can use to decimate populations?
If corn is harmful to the fish or other wildlife, then I get it. But if it's just an effectiveness issue then I think fish populations should be regulated by restricting possession limits, slot limits, etc.
Making a cheap, effective bait illegal seems silly. Responsible people shouldn't be restricted because a few people do stupid things.
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Corn is an ingredient in most fish hatcheries feeding pellets. It's like if guys were fish and baited with steak, just cant pass it up.
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I heard that the reason corn was illegal was that people would dump what was left of the corn they used while fishing and when fish, especially smaller fish, eat it, they can't digest the full size kernels, so it plugs them up and they die. I guess using small amounts on a hook won't kill them but a large amount will. Not sure how true that is but that was the story some DWR guy told me years ago. He said they found a bunch of corn in the Ogden river and found a lot of died or dying fish down stream.
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It isn't harmful to fish, but it doesn't decompose very fast. Especially in cold water at high elevation reservoirs. When hundreds of people each dump a few cans a week in their favorite spot the corn tends to pile up.
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[#0000ff]I have been proposing the legalizing of corn for bait for many years. But I modify that by recommending it only for "non-trout" waters such as Utah Lake, Willard, Yuba and other waters where the corn would be used primarily as a carp bait. However, corn is a tried and true lure tipping ingredient for trolling "koke-heads". Might have to add a clause to include that usage.
There are an increasing number of anglers who go after carp...on purpose...either for the sport or for use as bait for catfish...or both. And a lot of dads would like the chance to have their newbie-angler kids and friends be able to experience the real fight of a big strong fish (as opposed to wimpy hatchery pets).
By opening carp-containing waters to corn fishing it would make more sense to have carp derbies, etc. Anything to remove a few more buglemouths...and to have fun doing it.
On the issue of corn being deadly to troutkind...that is hogwash. The fisheries departments of other states have conducted plenty of studies that all show that corn is digested and/or passes through the fish without causing any kind of blockage. It is a standard bait in many states...like Idaho. Up there I have caught rainbows on lures that had corn in their innards...in all stages of digestion. And they were plenty healthy.
I have heard the tales of corn stacking up several inches deep on the bottom of Strawberry, in the olden days. Could be. But doubtful. As with the assertion that it chokes up the system of poor old hatchery pets I suspect that is more myth than reality.
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[quote TubeDude][#0000ff]I have heard the tales of corn stacking up several inches deep on the bottom of Strawberry, in the olden days. Could be. But doubtful. As with the assertion that it chokes up the system of poor old hatchery pets I suspect that is more myth than reality.
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Seen it with my own two eyes. Mud Creek Bay in '76. Low water that year. The whole bay smelled like a still.
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[#0000FF]Wouldn't think of disputing your eye-witness account. But on many fishing issues I tend to become a Missourian..."show me". Maybe that's just miseryan...old codgers' affliction.
I have heard other credible accounts of corn stacking. But then I start running the numbers. How many cases of "Niblet hackle" would it take to cover an acre even one inch deep. Somebody wasted a whole lotta corn.
"Smelled like a still"? Interesting. Where did you get THAT empirical knowledge?
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[quote TubeDude][#0000FF]"Smelled like a still"? Interesting. Where did you get THAT empirical knowledge?
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I rolled the window down. [crazy]
My uncle's brother owned a small grocery store and always sold corn by the case during the last week of May. Lots and lots of cases. How many bodies stayed on the bottom of Strawberry for years without decomposing? Week after week after week there were boats at certain spots on Strawberry. Morning, noon, and evening shifts. Every one of them tossing several cans of corn out to attract hungry trout. The corn piled up and didn't decompose. It wasn't the entire reservoir, but several of the bays were covered with corn.
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Catching drunk fish sounds fun.....never know what they'll do![laugh][laugh]
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[#0000FF]I wasn't questioning the corn. I was just wondering where you got your first-hand knowledge of what a still smells like. Hmmmm?
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[quote TubeDude]I have heard the tales of corn stacking up several inches deep on the bottom of Strawberry, in the olden days.[/quote]
I have no first-hand knowledge, but my intuition tells me those stories are nonsense. Thousands would have to dump cans in the same area to start piling up inches deep.
But if the stories are true, maybe it could be useful. All we'd have to do is introduce a non-native species of some sort that chows down the corn, and you have a great bottom for your food chain. Nothing could go wrong there. Right? [crazy]
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Regarding the DWR fishing survey I would like to encourage respondents to use this survey as an opportunity to strongly encourage that Scofield be chemically treated and restocked to get it back to the prime fishery it has historically been.
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